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Post by geh3333 on Jun 25, 2015 23:23:48 GMT -5
I've done a little research and I saw where some scoots have a lower idle rpm. However I can tell that your scoot is not ilding that low. Im going to say the tach on your scoot is set up different then most. The problem with that is , there is no way the tach is correct. I'm going to make a three about TACHS to see if anyone has any answers.
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Post by stellarfoxy on Jun 26, 2015 12:45:21 GMT -5
Ahh! I can get another tach, this scooter didn't come with most of it's parts, and what it did have was abused so I'm not surprised something else is messed up. I tuned it yesterday with the gauge sitting at 2000 rpm whatever that is in real life. I checked for vacuum leaks last night and everything is sealed up nicely. still need to look at the plug though to see what it's color has to reveal. I'm thinking, based on suggestion here, I may be too big on my jets? granted, they are ebay jets and apparently that may or may not be accurate, so I'm assuming it's just kinda feeling around in the dark until it runs correctly.
I will look at adjusting the float tonight if I have time, might drop down to a smaller pilot and/or main jet if the plug looks ok.
anything else I should check? and any recommendations on a smooth clutch/bell combo? or a place that sells legit Taiwanese-or-better carburetors?
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Post by steve on Jun 26, 2015 16:14:23 GMT -5
Have you adjusted the valves on it?
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 26, 2015 17:53:36 GMT -5
Ahh! I can get another tach, this scooter didn't come with most of it's parts, and what it did have was abused so I'm not surprised something else is messed up. I tuned it yesterday with the gauge sitting at 2000 rpm whatever that is in real life. I checked for vacuum leaks last night and everything is sealed up nicely. still need to look at the plug though to see what it's color has to reveal. I'm thinking, based on suggestion here, I may be too big on my jets? granted, they are ebay jets and apparently that may or may not be accurate, so I'm assuming it's just kinda feeling around in the dark until it runs correctly. I will look at adjusting the float tonight if I have time, might drop down to a smaller pilot and/or main jet if the plug looks ok. anything else I should check? and any recommendations on a smooth clutch/bell combo? or a place that sells legit Taiwanese-or-better carburetors? To be honest , most of the carbs on ebay " though they are cheep " are actually pretty good. If it were me . I'd go with a 26mm carb with a 120 main and whatever pilot it comes with. Maybe even a 115 main. I do believe you are correct about the jetting. You are more then likely too high for your setup. In have a bigger head and a bbk , and I'm running a 125 main with a 32mm carb.
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Post by stellarfoxy on Jun 26, 2015 18:16:30 GMT -5
steve- I've messed with the valves and got them where they consistently read .004 intake and .006 exhaust when cold. i though it might be that at first and was disappointed to find it wasn't ):
geh- i need to figure out the quote system. i bought a 26mm carb first and a 24mm later, they were both the same size. go figure.
also, my primary jet was tiny and some holes weren't there, the ones that were there were all different sizes. in the kit i got, the one labeled 35 was biggest and 42 smallest, though it looked the same as the 40. they were stamped with the keihin logo but i seriously doubt they are legit. the 38 broke when i installed it. i guess it's gonna be down to tuning with the plug at this point? i was really just looking for a direction, the concensus seems to be carb tuning. i definitely can fiddle with that until results improve. I'm glad it didn't seem to be blown rings or burnt valves to anyone. I'll probably get on it tonight and give her a go.
thanks to everyone so far, your help has been invaluable.
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 26, 2015 18:55:57 GMT -5
steve- I've messed with the valves and got them where they consistently read .004 intake and .006 exhaust when cold. i though it might be that at first and was disappointed to find it wasn't ): geh- i need to figure out the quote system. i bought a 26mm carb first and a 24mm later, they were both the same size. go figure. also, my primary jet was tiny and some holes weren't there, the ones that were there were all different sizes. in the kit i got, the one labeled 35 was biggest and 42 smallest, though it looked the same as the 40. they were stamped with the keihin logo but i seriously doubt they are legit. the 38 broke when i installed it. i guess it's gonna be down to tuning with the plug at this point? i was really just looking for a direction, the concensus seems to be carb tuning. i definitely can fiddle with that until results improve. I'm glad it didn't seem to be blown rings or burnt valves to anyone. I'll probably get on it tonight and give her a go. thanks to everyone so far, your help has been invaluable. I bought a set of jets off eBay and I had a similar issue. One was marked smaller but was larger then the rest ,lol.
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Post by stellarfoxy on Jun 27, 2015 8:22:15 GMT -5
yeah a lot of visual inspection was done before insatlling anything. i needed options more than exact numbers lol
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Post by stellarfoxy on Jun 28, 2015 19:33:49 GMT -5
hello again! I finally got some time to mess with it again, dropped the main jet to the one labeled 115 and the idle to the smallest non-stock one. after going from the 130 to 125, it seemed to lose some torque. seemed even weaker with the 115 and the plug was white after riding. starting it after it was warm was still not possible, but cool-down was around 20 minutes instead of whatever it was before (longer). I think I may have the idle closer now, but the main should be larger than 115. I also doubt my jets are even remotely labeled correctly. that's ok I guess, as long as it runs well and doesn't cook itself.
I've lost more of this tank of gas draining the bowl than driving ):
also I adjusted the float lower and it wouldn't start at all. so... oops. I ended up setting the little metal tab almost flush to the surrounding plastic and it did just fine.
I'm also starting to wonder if my clutch is the problem with it shutting off after giving it gas, it's extremely grabby and I think it's momentarily stopping the engine on initial engagement once it gets any heat in it. either way it sounds like the whole rear end is falling off when I take off from a stop after about 10 minutes of riding.
I may have it in me to take everything off and remove the carb again tonight to put the bigger jet back in and check it out. still no progress on why it isn't cranking when hot.
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Post by nimajneb on Jun 28, 2015 20:20:01 GMT -5
When you adjust the float make it to where the needle is topping out when the bowl is level. Just to make sure its got plenty of fuel.
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Post by stellarfoxy on Jun 28, 2015 20:58:14 GMT -5
that's where it is. it was a little low before I think, the tab was pointed upward.
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 28, 2015 23:06:12 GMT -5
that's where it is. it was a little low before I think, the tab was pointed upward. Sorry bud , it seems as if you are going to have to do some fine tuning and try to find the right jet combo. If the plug is whitish then you will def want to upjet. If its seems to run stronger with the bigger jets , I'd start back with them and try to fine tune the carb. Its hard when you have jets that are labeled wrong.
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Post by stellarfoxy on Jun 29, 2015 8:45:59 GMT -5
yeah I didn't realize it until you were saying 130 was too big but my 125 was reading a little lean lol. thank you so much for the help, I was just hoping to narrow up the places I'm looking. you've all been incredibly helpful! I'll update if anything gets fixed!
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Post by cyborg on Jun 29, 2015 17:12:21 GMT -5
i would have said valves myself,,,and running jets that turn up white plug is not good,,,,if you change carbs get one with an accelerator pump,,,i use mikuni myself but there's a few out there that will fit the bill
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Post by stellarfoxy on Jun 30, 2015 8:32:15 GMT -5
I just ordered the best-looking Chinese knockoff carb I could find on ebay. with the current jets in the carb I have it's not turning white but still impossible to start right after driving it around. it's got something to do with the idle screw because even when it's cold if I raise the idle to run smooth it won't start once it's off. I need to mess with it more I suppose.
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Post by stellarfoxy on Jun 30, 2015 23:08:53 GMT -5
after riding today about 5 miles up and down hill with stop lights, traffic, etc. it stalled at a light about 4.7 miles into the trip at a stoplight. I was able to safely walk it to a bus stop and adjusted the idle screw and it fired up fairly quickly, set it to 1800rpm, and went the rest of the way just fine. on the return trip about 3 hours later, it drove like a champ all the way. i had to rush back out so I didn't get to try and start it again but a couple hours later I took it to the gas station to fill it up from empty ($2.30 whaaaat) and had to do the idle thing again to get it started but again no issues after that. got it home and tried to restart it but it won't fire until I drop the idle then one it's started set the screw again. any ideas? or do I just wait for the better carb to get here?
also it didn't want to pull much past 5500rpm, which I assume is around 50mph with 13g sliders on stock clutch judging by traffic. maybe I need a longer run or something but woo 50ish feels zippy on this thing
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