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Post by lain on May 1, 2015 17:20:18 GMT -5
I am helping someone get a 4 stroke vespa from 2007 back on the road after being stored for over 2 years. There may have been gas in it when it was first stored away. I am thinking replace the lines, clean the tank and carb, charge the battery, replace all fluids, and do a tune-up. What do you guys think? I'm planning to take some pics and videos along the way so let me know if there's anything you guys might want me to highlight.
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Post by keikara on May 1, 2015 18:50:09 GMT -5
I would say make sure to check all the brake lines, pull the body panels check all the wiring, depending on how and where it was stored at want to make sure no dry rot or mice chewing wires, or just any small animals getting into and making a nest or anything in there.
edit: hope not coming across as if you don't know what your doing, posted before I really noticed who OP is. |
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Post by lain on May 1, 2015 19:38:26 GMT -5
I would say make sure to check all the brake lines, pull the body panels check all the wiring, depending on how and where it was stored at want to make sure no dry rot or mice chewing wires, or just any small animals getting into and making a nest or anything in there.
edit: hope not coming across as if you don't know what your doing, posted before I really noticed who OP is. Just because I know some stuff doesn't mean I don't appreciate the input  I tend to forget things, and I like to talk about it because it makes me remember, and this is decent sized project. Yeah I was planning to basically do a full inspection of everything, drip some oil down the spark plug hole into the cylinder before I start, take all the covers off, replace all fluids, test the function of all parts and take it for a test run after I do the work to prepare it to start and run after such a long time. It was stored in a garage, the condition before it entered storage was working as far as the owner can remember, and the owner cannot remember if there was gas or not. To prevent pumping goo and varnish from gas that may have been in the carb/lines/tank I am planning on replacing the lines and cleaning the carb and tank. I think the hardest part will be finding and arranging all the screws and bolts by location haha. But I like to hear from other people who have done this with rides that may have been sitting just as long or longer. The longest a scooter I have worked on has sat before I brought it up to working order was 8 months, in outside uncovered conditions. I am interested to hear if there is anything different about working on a scoot that has sat for 2+ years. As far as I can see there is special care to take with an engine that has sat so long, like multiple oil changes to prevent damage to the rings and to really get the gunk out. |
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Post by geh3333 on May 1, 2015 23:01:45 GMT -5
I'll be surprised if the battery hold a good charge. Also change the gear oil. Wiring should be fine . I would worry to much about pulling all the panels unless you run into an electrical type issue. If it was in storage out of the weather , I'd just do what u said and replace all fuel lines , clean the tank out and do good carb cleanse.
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Post by SylvreKat on May 2, 2015 7:05:46 GMT -5
My Piaggio was stored in the garage for well over a year, if not close to two (sorry, I don't remember now how long). I did start him up periodically and let him idle while I read the Sunday funnies. Otherwise he was plugged into the Battery Tender Jr the whole time. When I was good to ride again, I did take the Peej to the mech (first visit there). I told him about the sitting. All he ended up doing beyond the normal spring tune-up was to remove the old gas and fill with fresh. Everything was fine. Probably helped that my previous mech had added "green stuff" (this per my Mom  ) to the gas before I parked the bike. >'Kat |
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Post by geh3333 on May 2, 2015 8:22:31 GMT -5
My Piaggio was stored in the garage for well over a year, if not close to two (sorry, I don't remember now how long). I did start him up periodically and let him idle while I read the Sunday funnies. Otherwise he was plugged into the Battery Tender Jr the whole time. When I was good to ride again, I did take the Peej to the mech (first visit there). I told him about the sitting. All he ended up doing beyond the normal spring tune-up was to remove the old gas and fill with fresh. Everything was fine. Probably helped that my previous mech had added "green stuff" (this per my Mom ) to the gas before I parked the bike. >'Kat Yeh , if you don't have it on a battery tender , you might as well through the battery in the garbage. You watch , the battery will charge up and work just fine , it will make me look like a liar !! |
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Post by lain on May 2, 2015 10:17:00 GMT -5
Yeah the owner did not know about proper maintenance and nothing was done to winterize or prepare it for storage. The key was left in the scooter with the ignition turned on the entire time it was in storage. I'm going to doubt the battery will hold anything, but it does have a kickstarter and I have a battery for testing the electrical stuff.
Going to test the battery before I put it on the charger with my meter, and if the battery charger I have doesn't reject it right away it may charge it somewhat, but I expect the capacity to be extremely degraded.
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Post by ricardoguitars on May 3, 2015 11:31:47 GMT -5
I battery is probably wasted already, the battery on a car I used to have died after just a few months sitting without a tender.
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Post by lain on May 3, 2015 16:50:04 GMT -5
I was surprised to find out the battery had leaked a little bit (not sealed type battery), but still holds enough charge to turn the starter motor and everything after putting it on my charger for 8 hours. Some of the wires are corroded from the acid I suppose, but wires are easily replaceable. No components seem to be damaged at first glace. Really getting into the project tomorrow.
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Post by lain on May 4, 2015 19:50:50 GMT -5
What kind of carb do vespas usually come with? I found a knockoff keihin in this vespa with a missing diaphram and other issues. The owner did not have any parts replaced before to their knowledge, I am thinking someone who was borrowing it from them stole their carb.
Actually looking at other vespas online it looks like the diaphram on the side is supposed to be missing? What..? Otherwise it looks like a knockoff keihin, it has keihin stamped in one spot, but there are odd things bout it, like the cap doesn't have a logo, the inside does not have keihin brand stamped parts, the needle is not adjustable, looks like a regular chinese cvk or keihin knockoff.
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Post by maineiac1967 on Jun 6, 2015 22:41:50 GMT -5
My new scoot sat since new in 2007 in a climate controlled storage building. Has 6 miles on the odometer. I just bought it for 500 bucks as is. Hoping to get it all ready soon. Dirty, dead battery, old gas, but new. It's a Jonway YY150T-28.
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Post by lain on Jun 6, 2015 23:24:53 GMT -5
My new scoot sat since new in 2007 in a climate controlled storage building. Has 6 miles on the odometer. I just bought it for 500 bucks as is. Hoping to get it all ready soon. Dirty, dead battery, old gas, but new. It's a Jonway YY150T-28. Clean or replace the fuel system and carb. Check the filter and muffler for eggs or nests. As long as everything is good it should work out. I recently got a scoot that had been in storage since 2005 or 2006, had 22km on it. Every single rubber piece was dried out and cracked. Intake manifold is so cracked, hoses were all stiff and cracking, gaskets even seemed dried and cracked, the whole topend has leaks. The oil is so old it looks and smells like olive oil. I personally would not buy an old low milage scoot, well not under a thousand km. You should wonder why it has such low milage, why wasn't it sold if the owner couldn't/didn't want to use it? A lot of the time it's due to the original dealer selling a scoot he had on the floor for a year without maintaining it, or a small problem that caused it to stop or not start. After a long time of not running with such low milage things tend to dry out and go bad. As long as you have the parts, the time, and most importantly; enjoy the project, it should work out fine or better than expected. Jonway may be chinese, but I think they may be slightly higher quality than most mainstream chinese. I have 3 jonway agility yy50qt-6 engines, all still working. 2 of them I restored from scoots sitting and one is in my secondary scoot now, the other a backup. The other engine has moved frames twice, has over 40k miles, has a BBK on it, and is still my main scoot/engine. I've seen a lot of people who just abuse their jonway agilitys; no oil changes no maintenance, ride in horrible condition and off road, crash and do stupid stunts with, run without exhaust tubes, fill with wrong oil, use 87 octane, and just basically do everything you shouldn't, and they still keep running. I see people with taotaos do one of the above and they are done. Also, I notice stock jonway agility parts say "Jonway Italia" like on the inside of the light covers and body parts. |
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 7, 2015 3:19:21 GMT -5
A buddy of mine just bought a 2005 80cc Honda elite at a yard sale for $200. It has 750 miles on it. It sat for about a year or so in a garage , so I had to clear the carb bowl and jets . they were completely clogged . I drained the fuel , filled the tank with new fuel with star tron . the battery was shot , so we jusmp it to see if it would start , and it fired right up, and sounds great. He paid 200 bucks for a scoot that worth close to $1500 .
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Post by lain on Jun 7, 2015 9:32:20 GMT -5
A buddy of mine just bought a 2005 80cc Honda elite at a yard sale for $200. It has 750 miles on it. It sat for about a year or so in a garage , so I had to clear the carb bowl and jets . they were completely clogged . I drained the fuel , filled the tank with new fuel with star tron . the battery was shot , so we jusmp it to see if it would start , and it fired right up, and sounds great. He paid 200 bucks for a scoot that worth close to $1500 . To people like me that is the only way to buy. So far in the past month I've bought 3 old scooters, totalling $250 for all 3. 2 are running around daily, one is in project status for 50 to 150cc conversion. |
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Post by maineiac1967 on Jun 8, 2015 6:04:13 GMT -5
UPDATE! IT LIVES! I looked into the carb and it looks as if nothing has run through it. It is pristine. All the lines are in excellent shape and no decay in the rubber. I discovered the fuel line was disconnected and there was an inline fuel filter in the bucket. Apparently the dealer knew that gas sitting in the carb was bad.  I drained out all the residual gas in the tank and flushed with new fuel. I Put in a quality inline filter since I don't see a way to look inside the one I found. New battery came yesterday. Oil check was good but overfull. Cranked after a few tries! |
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