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Post by steve on Apr 30, 2015 8:09:17 GMT -5
I posted this same thing on the general board. Sorry mods, I'm new. You can delete that one. Hi, guys. I'm new. Look forward to trading ideas. I have a 50cc Jonway. Got tired of paying for gas and insurance. It is now my sole mode of transportation. Kind of complicated, as electrical issues are.: I put a new stator on a couple of weeks ago. A screw had gotten in the flywheel, and chewed the stator up. I don't feel that is related, but that is that.
Here is the deal: I put a car bulb in my scooter, and it melted the lense. So I put a couple 55w fog lights on the front. The AC voltage was blowing bulbs, so I used a scooter rectifier to convert the light wires to DC. It was a 7 wire rectifier, so I hooked the blue high beam, and the brown light wire to 2 of the yellow AC inputs on the rectifier. I left the white, low beam wire alone, and just capped it.I connected 1 light to the white output, it read 12v DC. I connected the other light to the red output, it read 9v DC. I connected both of the light's black wires to the green ground wire out of the rectifier.
I was riding the other morning, and accidentally pressed down on the high/low beam switch. That flashes both the high and low beams at the same time. My lights cut off for the second that it was pressed, but then came back on. I pressed it again, then the same thing happened. I hit it again, and the lights stayed on. This puzzled me, but from then on, nothing happened when I hit the flash button.
BUT, the next time I tried to start it, the start button did not work. I jumped the solenoid, and it would start. So it was something before the solenoid.
Then, this morning it would not start at all. There is no spark from the plug. I unhooked the kill switch/start switch from the handlebar, and it doesn't appear to be fried.How can I start testing? Is there any way I can rig it to get it running until I have some time on Saturday to mess with it? This 50cc Jonway is my sole means of transportation.
I just thought of something. This rectifier is only being used for the lights. I am using it to convert the AC light wires to DC. It is bolted to the frame. Are they grounded by this bolt, or are you supposed to ground them via the green wire? Did I screw up by using the green wire to ground my lights?
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Post by steve on Apr 30, 2015 18:02:44 GMT -5
I figured it out. I also figured out that I'm an idiot. I'm actually an idiot X2. First of all, always check your fuse when you are not getting a spark. I'm an idiot X1. Secondly, I connected a ground from the scooter to the third hot input on the 7 wire rectifier. I don't really know how it worked fine for 2 weeks, and just screwed up when I hit the flash button, though. I'm an idiot X2. If anybody needs some advice on how they might have screwed up their scooter, I'm the one to ask. I'll see myself out. Something that is still puzzling me: I checked the starter switch with a multimeter. It is fine. The starter still won't engage with the button. Is there a relay between the switch and the solenoid? Or, is the solenoid and relay all one unit? Electricity has to go somewhere, and it is weird what fries when you wire something backwards. It obviously arced off in the solenoid/relay, and fried it.
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Post by keikara on Apr 30, 2015 18:30:40 GMT -5
You didn't say but did you check to make sure what your voltage at the battery is? It is possible when it shorted out it may have shorted the solenoid or the battery. If you jump the solenoid will it start, if so it is probably the solenoid, when you check the voltage to the solenoid do you have correct voltage? Does the solenoid click when you press the start button? If the solenoid clicks, have correct voltage, and no wires melted may have even shorted out the starter motor itself. I may be way off just tossing some ideas out there.
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Post by steve on May 1, 2015 20:32:44 GMT -5
It does start when I jump the solenoid. I think you are right, and it is the solenoid. It doesn't click, though. Don't they normally click when they have gone bad? I am putting a 50mm BBK on there tomorrow. I started taking it apart today. I put a tester on the starter switch, and it is fine. I may have another solenoid sitting around. I'll replace it, and see. If it's not that, I probably fried a ground somewhere. Electrical issues are the worst. I ordered an 11 pole stator. I need another hot wire for lights. I'm going to put that on when it comes in next week, and put one rectifier on for the bike, and run the other wire from the stator to another rectifier for the lights. Or, I may just hook up a 7-wire rectifier. I heard that you need to use most of the juice that your stator produces, or things start getting hot.
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Post by keikara on May 1, 2015 23:11:40 GMT -5
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Post by geh3333 on May 2, 2015 2:23:12 GMT -5
I posted this same thing on the general board. Sorry mods, I'm new. You can delete that one. Hi, guys. I'm new. Look forward to trading ideas. I have a 50cc Jonway. Got tired of paying for gas and insurance. It is now my sole mode of transportation. Kind of complicated, as electrical issues are.: I put a new stator on a couple of weeks ago. A screw had gotten in the flywheel, and chewed the stator up. I don't feel that is related, but that is that. Here is the deal: I put a car bulb in my scooter, and it melted the lense. So I put a couple 55w fog lights on the front. The AC voltage was blowing bulbs, so I used a scooter rectifier to convert the light wires to DC. It was a 7 wire rectifier, so I hooked the blue high beam, and the brown light wire to 2 of the yellow AC inputs on the rectifier. I left the white, low beam wire alone, and just capped it.I connected 1 light to the white output, it read 12v DC. I connected the other light to the red output, it read 9v DC. I connected both of the light's black wires to the green ground wire out of the rectifier. I was riding the other morning, and accidentally pressed down on the high/low beam switch. That flashes both the high and low beams at the same time. My lights cut off for the second that it was pressed, but then came back on. I pressed it again, then the same thing happened. I hit it again, and the lights stayed on. This puzzled me, but from then on, nothing happened when I hit the flash button. BUT, the next time I tried to start it, the start button did not work. I jumped the solenoid, and it would start. So it was something before the solenoid. Then, this morning it would not start at all. There is no spark from the plug. I unhooked the kill switch/start switch from the handlebar, and it doesn't appear to be fried.How can I start testing? Is there any way I can rig it to get it running until I have some time on Saturday to mess with it? This 50cc Jonway is my sole means of transportation. I just thought of something. This rectifier is only being used for the lights. I am using it to convert the AC light wires to DC. It is bolted to the frame. Are they grounded by this bolt, or are you supposed to ground them via the green wire? Did I screw up by using the green wire to ground my lights? Why not just run the lights straight from the battery ?
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Post by steve on May 4, 2015 22:01:42 GMT -5
I heard that your rectifier and stator will get hot if you don't use the AC power it generates for the lighting. What you don't use gets shunted to ground, which will get transferred to heat, right?
I did that for a while, and it literally made the unused lighting wires go up in smoke. And, running 55w off of that tiny battery ran it down in about an hour. Just not a lot of wiggle room with those little batteries.
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Post by geh3333 on May 5, 2015 4:01:18 GMT -5
I heard that your rectifier and stator will get hot if you don't use the AC power it generates for the lighting. What you don't use gets shunted to ground, which will get transferred to heat, right? I did that for a while, and it literally made the unused lighting wires go up in smoke. And, running 55w off of that tiny battery ran it down in about an hour. Just not a lot of wiggle room with those little batteries. According to then most knowledgeable person on the sight about the scoots electronics ,it should be just fine . Its been OK for at least the past week , I'll let you know if I notice any issues.
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