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Post by javarod on Feb 9, 2015 9:55:41 GMT -5
Well, i mean clones that is, Honda did have an Elite 80 after all. I seem to remember that its advantage was power similar to a 50cc two stroke, with the better emissions of a four stroke, yes? With Chinese bikes typically running Honda clone motors, why haven't they cloned that motor or offered that size? It makes more sense than a 125cc after all (125 would make sense if there wasn't a 150, but since there is, what's the point?). I'd certainly be happy to have one, my 50 doesn't quite make enough power, i'd like to easily hold 40 on flat ground with a little more reserve available.
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Post by lain on Feb 9, 2015 10:47:02 GMT -5
Good question. The original design for our GY6 were made for 72cc, so why not? I am guessing it has something to do with marketing and laws in america. In my state you would have to register an 80cc scooter as a motorcycle.
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Post by JoeyBee on Feb 9, 2015 11:49:45 GMT -5
I agree with lain. Since the "50cc" scooters are actually just shy of the 50cc mark owners can register them as mopeds instead of motorcycles. For Texas, once you pass 50cc you have to get the motorcycle endorsement, tags, and other nanny state BS. At that point of passing 50cc, why bother with an incredibly slow motorcycle? |
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Post by rdhood on Feb 9, 2015 12:03:18 GMT -5
I agree with lain. Since the "50cc" scooters are actually just shy of the 50cc mark owners can register them as mopeds instead of motorcycles. For Texas, once you pass 50cc you have to get the motorcycle endorsement, tags, and other nanny state BS. At that point of passing 50cc, why bother with an incredibly slow motorcycle? Yep. If you are going >50cc, might as well go to 150cc. |
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Post by JerryScript on Feb 9, 2015 12:18:03 GMT -5
The one thing you can do is install a BBK. The largest will get you over 80cc, and you can attempt to run stealth.
Warning- I have seen a police car trailing a scooter for a long distance checking it's top speed. It had all sorts performance stickers all over it, so it was obvious to the police it had been modified. When I'm riding my BBK'd scooter, I subtly slow down whenever I see LE nearby.
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Post by lain on Feb 9, 2015 13:09:13 GMT -5
The one thing you can do is install a BBK. The largest will get you over 80cc, and you can attempt to run stealth. Warning- I have seen a police car trailing a scooter for a long distance checking it's top speed. It had all sorts performance stickers all over it, so it was obvious to the police it had been modified. When I'm riding my BBK'd scooter, I subtly slow down whenever I see LE nearby. I usually don't ride over 40 in town, most of the time stick to around 30. Safety mostly, just got the BBK myself so I would have the power to avoid crashes and potholes at the last moment and so when I do go traveling it will be safe if google maps puts me on the highway again at least for 1 exit length. I try to avoid highways but on long cross-state trips google maps can be retarded. I don't have any stickers, and my muffler looks like crap but still works well! Give the impression to people looking at it sitting on the street or sidewalk that it is a not worth stealing and also looks like it shouldn't get good speeds, but when it's ont he road people quickly change thier mind! Lol, I was getting to 30 in about 1-2 seconds from stop lights with my BBK, leaving everyone behind because they didn't think I'd be gone that fast! haha.. |
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Post by JoeyBee on Feb 9, 2015 13:17:21 GMT -5
Never had a problem with law enforcement. But we don't mess with our own.  |
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Post by ricardoguitars on Feb 9, 2015 16:24:50 GMT -5
I can't BBK my scoot, I would have to get a new drivers license, with this one I can drive moppeds, motorcycles and ATVs from 0cc up to 125cc  |
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Post by javarod on Feb 9, 2015 23:20:09 GMT -5
I agree with lain. Since the "50cc" scooters are actually just shy of the 50cc mark owners can register them as mopeds instead of motorcycles. For Texas, once you pass 50cc you have to get the motorcycle endorsement, tags, and other nanny state BS. At that point of passing 50cc, why bother with an incredibly slow motorcycle? I think it depends on what state. I'm not sure what MO has, but in AZ they have a graduated license that's mostly a motorcycle permit (same restrictions except you're allowed to ride at night). I'd also assume that insurance would be lower on a 80cc than a 100 or over. Heck, that'll be something interesting to research now that i think about it. If the associated registration and insurance costs aren't too high, it might be worth the cost for being better able to maintain surface street speeds. I usually don't ride over 40 in town, most of the time stick to around 30. Safety mostly, just got the BBK myself so I would have the power to avoid crashes and potholes at the last moment and so when I do go traveling it will be safe if google maps puts me on the highway again at least for 1 exit length. I try to avoid highways but on long cross-state trips google maps can be retarded. The problem really is the speed and the drivers. Drivers here are aggressive and bad, up until May i got paid to do deliveries and you wouldn't believe what i've seen. Heck, my last month i got hit three times because of drivers swinging wide in multi-lane left turns. Speed limits here are basically always 35-40 with a very small number of roads, mostly small residential being 25. When i lived in Phoenix, all the major roads were 45, so having a bit more speed and responsiveness would be a plus. Warning- I have seen a police car trailing a scooter for a long distance checking it's top speed. It had all sorts performance stickers all over it, so it was obvious to the police it had been modified. When I'm riding my BBK'd scooter, I subtly slow down whenever I see LE nearby. No issue here, cops don't pay much attention out here, heck, our roomie Silver just picked up a QLink Legacy from someone that'd been running it with a 49cc plate on it for years without an issue. |
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 10, 2015 1:39:13 GMT -5
In Pa u need a motorcycle license to run any type of moped , scooter , or motorcycle.
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Post by lain on Feb 10, 2015 7:46:18 GMT -5
I usually don't ride over 40 in town, most of the time stick to around 30. Safety mostly, just got the BBK myself so I would have the power to avoid crashes and potholes at the last moment and so when I do go traveling it will be safe if google maps puts me on the highway again at least for 1 exit length. I try to avoid highways but on long cross-state trips google maps can be retarded. The problem really is the speed and the drivers. Drivers here are aggressive and bad, up until May i got paid to do deliveries and you wouldn't believe what i've seen. Heck, my last month i got hit three times because of drivers swinging wide in multi-lane left turns. Speed limits here are basically always 35-40 with a very small number of roads, mostly small residential being 25. When i lived in Phoenix, all the major roads were 45, so having a bit more speed and responsiveness would be a plus. I totally understand. I was doing deliveries on my scoot all last spring summer and fall in downtown Boston. Cabbies are the worst there, I swear they do not look AT ALL when changing lanes or coming out of a parking spot. I've never been hit but I've been almost hit by bad drivers more times than I can recollect! Practically everyday I'd almost get hit at least once. I've only been hit while I was parked, people would back up and tip my scoot over, I'd come rushing out and they'd usually be driving away and I'm screaming at them "WT&F DID YOU EVEN LOOK!?" Cuz I'd always park it in view of their rear view mirrors.... While driving I would always hang back and give myself room between me and the person in front of me. More space makes it easier to stay safe. If someone is beside you try to go forward or hang back a bit try to always have space around you. In Boston though scooters can use bike lanes, so if there was traffic I'd just drive around it. Just can't stay in the bike lane if you plan to go faster than like 15 because people tend to appear out of nowhere in the bike lane trying to get to the driver's side door of their cars. |
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