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Post by thebigreed on Jan 10, 2015 23:10:24 GMT -5
I'm just starting apprenticing at a shop and my first real problem here is some electrical in a "1963" (As I've been told) Vespa. The problem is that there is no voltage going to the brake lights we installed. so Firstly please look at the linked PDF. www.scooterhelp.com/electrics/wiring/VBB2_VLA1.pdfI got it from this website, and deduced that the wiring is from the latter link www.scooterhelp.com/electrics/60.elec.htmlwww.scooterhelp.com/electrics/pages/VBB2.150.htmlNow. Here's where my problem begins. The tail light has voltage. And we've tested the black cable to show that current is flowing through that. Yet what is lacking signal seems to be from the blue wire going to the brake light. The only thing that's had the brake light work is giving it some juice directly from a battery. (Yet, the Vespa actually doesn't have a battery) In my opinion, the problem is that there is no blue wire getting power from the magneto to even send it to the brake light. This is a deduction from three factors: 1 - There is only two, not three blue wires at the junction box. 2 - There is NO blue wire by the magnetos. 3 - Whoever fixed this Vespa before didn't do the greatest job. (The kill switch wasn't even wired in) Anyways, my boss says that we won't be doing any wiring on the magneto. I'm not sure why. Can somebody tell me? Here are some photos, and I hope you guys can give me some hints as to what's wrong. I have clipped the brake switch contacts together with alligator clips in case the contacts weren't touching properly when the brakes were applied. Feel free to also browse this 1962 manual, the two models are virtually the same. www.tamlyn-serpa.com/images/Vespa_150.pdfI've also posted in another Forum to try and find answers: (More Pictures are there, I can't seem to figure out how to post all them here.) www.motorcycleforums.net/forum/mechanics-corner/52742-vintage-vespa-missing-signal-brake-lights.html#post693204
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Post by lain on Jan 10, 2015 23:23:14 GMT -5
There's gotta be a running lights circuit you can tap the brake lights into that runs off the magneto. I'm guessing there is no electric starter so no reason really to have a battery, so in which case it makes sense to wire whatever needs electricity to the source of electricity, being the magneto, wouldn't it?
Or maybe you might consider installing a small battery and charging circuit to power lights/etc?
Besides those, I don't see any other options to be hooking the lights up to.
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Post by wilds on Jan 11, 2015 2:09:48 GMT -5
First: Does the vespa starts?
If it does: When ideling, does the black cable have any power? If it has, the blue cable should be your ground.
(But your wiring diagram shows the black cable as ground. It's grounded at the magneto.)
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Post by thebigreed on Jan 12, 2015 17:10:11 GMT -5
Of course the Vespa starts. there would be no electricity running through it otherwise. there is no battery.
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Post by thebigreed on Jan 12, 2015 17:12:16 GMT -5
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Post by alleyoop on Jan 12, 2015 17:22:52 GMT -5
You need a battery in the scoot, the BRAKE LIGHTS, HORN and Gauges work off the Battery when you turn the KEY on.
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Post by thebigreed on Jan 12, 2015 17:45:59 GMT -5
You need a battery in the scoot, the BRAKE LIGHTS, HORN and Gauges work off the Battery when you turn the KEY on. Welcome to 1963! The only "key" actually locks the steering to the left.... And there is NO battery. Electricity is generated by the movement of the engine. Lastly, the engine is KICK STARTED. Not ignited via a key.
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Post by alleyoop on Jan 12, 2015 18:00:47 GMT -5
Ah, yes check the bulbs they have to be 6V bulbs maybe they put in 12v bulbs. Looking at the wiring diagram one wire off one of the poles goes to the relay for the stop light.
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Post by thebigreed on Jan 12, 2015 18:04:57 GMT -5
it's 12v. we've got that covered.
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Post by thebigreed on Jan 13, 2015 17:20:00 GMT -5
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Post by JerryScript on Jan 13, 2015 17:58:19 GMT -5
Ah, yes check the bulbs they have to be 6V bulbs maybe they put in 12v bulbs. Looking at the wiring diagram one wire off one of the poles goes to the relay for the stop light. As alleyoop said, the bulbs need to be 6v not 12v, at least according to the wiring diagram you posted. Other than that, check each wire for continuity, and then check the connections for corrosion or other issues.
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Post by thebigreed on Jan 26, 2015 17:03:13 GMT -5
Still working on it with not much success... Hopefully my boss can find a solution soon!
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