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Post by tvnacman on Jan 1, 2015 20:06:17 GMT -5
What is triple phase ? I never heard of that . Oh so 6 and 8 pole stators are only make a half of a wave ? Can you use a full wave regulator on a half wave stator ? How many volts do you need to work the auto choke . Triple Phase:   and single phase:   --------------------------------- As far as how much juice the enricher requires? I don't know. Also, I don't know if you could use a full wave R/R on a single phase stator. I still don't know what a triple phase is nor have you shown me . Did I miss something ? I know what I know , I know what I don't know when facing a problem or failure . I apply what I do know and search for answers to what I don't . The wave forms in the pictures on the graph is very pretty , was that to explain triple phase . www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12563152 (result of google search) |
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Post by dmartin95 on Jan 1, 2015 21:19:14 GMT -5
I still don't know what a triple phase is nor have you shown me . Did I miss something ? I know what I know , I know what I don't know when facing a problem or failure . I apply what I do know and search for answers to what I don't . The wave forms in the pictures on the graph is very pretty , was that to explain triple phase . www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12563152 (result of google search) Yep, I'd say you're missing something alright...... And I don't mean that sarcastically... Do you understand the difference AC 120/240/480 volts? If you have a device that operates at 10 amps, at 120 volts AC, it will only require 5 Amps at 240... It's under this principle a full wave R/R will allow you to double your current in most circumstances. Now, picture this, a 120 volt line only needs three lines; ground/earth, hot and nuetral (think of this as single phase alternator with only two output wire (green, yellow and white))....AC 120 eqv would be Black, White and bare.... Now, 240 Volt AC has 4 wires; ground/earth-bare, hot-black, live-red and neutral-white. Think of this as the 3 phase stator. It has 4 wires, 3 AC, Hot, LIVE and Neutral and of course your ground. This is the same principal with these stators. The point of the pics was to illustrate how tapping the coil windings differently you can either have a single or 3 phase stator.... I don't understand how much simpler I could explain it... |
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Post by tvnacman on Jan 1, 2015 21:32:19 GMT -5
I still don't know what a triple phase is nor have you shown me . Did I miss something ? I know what I know , I know what I don't know when facing a problem or failure . I apply what I do know and search for answers to what I don't . The wave forms in the pictures on the graph is very pretty , was that to explain triple phase . www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12563152 (result of google search) Yep, I'd say you're missing something alright...... And I don't mean that sarcastically... Do you understand the difference AC 120/240/480 volts? If you have a device that operates at 10 amps, at 120 volts AC, it will only require 5 Amps at 240... It's under this principle a full wave R/R will allow you to double your current in most circumstances. Now, picture this, a 120 volt line only needs three lines; ground/earth, hot and nuetral (think of this as single phase alternator with only two output wire (green, yellow and white))....AC 120 eqv would be Black, White and bare.... Now, 240 Volt AC has 4 wires; ground/earth-bare, hot-black, live-red and neutral-white. Think of this as the 3 phase stator. It has 4 wires, 3 AC, Hot, LIVE and Neutral and of course your ground. This is the same principal with these stators. The point of the pics was to illustrate how tapping the coil windings differently you can either have a single or 3 phase stator.... I don't understand how much simpler I could explain it... looks like your not talking about triple phase anymore . read what the first search result brings up in the list . www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=does+3+phase+120%2F208+have+a+neutral . The lanungage should be that I caught something rather than missed something . |
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Post by jerseyboy on Jan 1, 2015 21:32:59 GMT -5
Depends on how its tapped..I see it.Just like my transformer in my AL 80B Linear amp,,I can tap it to run 28kv-35kv just by moving some wires around on the jumper board..
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Post by dmartin95 on Jan 1, 2015 21:43:31 GMT -5
I still don't know what a triple phase is nor have you shown me . Did I miss something ? You know, It didn't even dawn on me that you may (or may not) be asking what a 3 phase wave-form is.... I thought this was GY6 specific,... I recalled someone saying you were a NYC electrician so I just assumed you knew how a three phase wave operates..... A three phase stator takes all three wires that are at X-volts AC, combines them producing it's own phase/wave), combines them into one circuit, so you actually have 3 waves on the same circuit.... If the Volt is 40V, the three waves would be at 40 degrees apart producing a cleaner wave that never drops to zero giving you constant power, as to where a single phase/wave drops 3 times a second.... |
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Post by dmartin95 on Jan 1, 2015 21:44:28 GMT -5
looks like your not talking about triple phase anymore . It was an analogy. And actually I was, 120-single phase, 240-3 phase |
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Post by tvnacman on Jan 1, 2015 22:13:16 GMT -5
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Post by dmartin95 on Jan 1, 2015 22:21:42 GMT -5
Keep in mind you may have people here reading and seeing things for the first time . Terminology is important and can be misleading if incorrect . I have not scoped a stator on the scooter engine . I can tell you that 3phase 120/208 and 208/460 , each phase is 120 degrees apart and single phase is  degrees apart . For the record I do electrical work , I'm not an electrician , I'm and HVAC man . I do very detailed control wiring with alternate over ride . It gets busy . John I haven't scoped a stator either, but I for some reason was under the impression the degree of wave angle was relative to it's corresponding volt...... Hmmm... I am getting rusty if I got that part of this wrong.... I did a little HVAC as well.... I am in the IT field, comp TIA certified in A+ Hardware, A+ Software and computer sciences.... I was contracting with zonemaster to setup remote, climate controlled environments... |
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Post by dmartin95 on Jan 1, 2015 22:48:10 GMT -5
I really would like to put a stator on a scope and see if it's at 120Hz.....
This is starting to bug me D_and I'm going to be using google a lot tonight.....
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Post by tvnacman on Jan 1, 2015 22:48:10 GMT -5
BMS , the automated buildings can get interesting , thermisters go out of range knocks off the reset temp off sets over and under compensation . Sometimes makes the motors ramp up and or down and can't balance itself off .
John
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Post by tvnacman on Jan 1, 2015 22:49:52 GMT -5
talk to bashin about trailtec
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Post by dmartin95 on Jan 1, 2015 22:51:37 GMT -5
BMS , the automated buildings can get interesting , thermisters go out of range knocks off the reset temp off sets over and under compensation . Sometimes makes the motors ramp up and or down and can't balance itself off . John Way out of my league... All I did was residential. Help home owners setup their homes so they could access the climate and alter their climate zones VIA the net.... |
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Post by jerseyboy on Jan 1, 2015 23:22:07 GMT -5
I have a 60 meg tektronix oscilloscope here for radio repair and alignments,,I just might take a look one of these days..
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Post by dmartin95 on Jan 1, 2015 23:26:51 GMT -5
That would be awesome to get some hard numbers out there,,,, I would also like to know just how many amps these stators are capable of producing,,,,, I have some chinese ammeter with shunts coming in the mail (Now waiting on 4th week)... I plan to test an 6, 11 and 12 pole... Only 8 pole I had I removed  |
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Post by jerseyboy on Jan 1, 2015 23:33:25 GMT -5
Gotta love the slow boat from china....I got a nice 200 amp panel meter and shunt from China for my 130 amp DC supply I built out of a dell computer server supply.The meter and shunt work as they should,,cant beat the price from china.
Sorry for the derail,,back on topic please...
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degrees apart .