diff. between 6 pin and 7 pin r/r's for 11 pole stator  By  dyoung1167 (Read 12,129 times)

Like Tvnacman suggest, your question is a little vague on your intent.....

If you already have the 7 pin Regulator/Rectifier (R/R's), you do not need a 6 pin, the 7 pin will work just fine... They're both full-wave R/R's....

In either case, I'm going to arm you with all the info you need. If you go with a 6 pin (or 7), you do not tap into the (switched on) dc wires. You tap into the AC wires. Just find a yellow coming from the stator into the main harness, and a green (or other ground color) in the main harness and you will be golden.  

Also, if you have an 8 coil stator, you can use your existing flywheel to save even more money.

One thing to pay attention to is if you have an AC or DC CDI, They use different stators. Even though all stators produce AC current, AC and DC stators operate very differently and in most cases are non interchangeable. You can use an AC on a DC simply by not hooking up the dedicated coil (*take note, this could however cause timing issues). However, you can not use a DC stator on an AC CDI due to lack of dedicated coil.

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An AC stator will have one coil dedicated to the CDI, it provides power to the CDI (it's why the CDI is smaller) and the timing pulse (pickup coil signal) (notice one coil is wrapped, that's your pulse wire (at the CDI))


 

A DC stator does not have a dedicated winding that provides to the CDI. The pick-up coil for a DC stator only acts as a pulse signal for the CDI, the CDI then uses power from the battery to power the pulse signal to your coil. This is the reason DC CDI are bigger, they have have internal circuitry to zap juice from the battery and power the pulse signal.... A DC stator will not have a dedicated coil/winding/pole and all coils will be bare:



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A 7 pin R/R pinout.... A 6 PIN is the same minus the AC output (white wire)... But they are both full wave R/R's...

One thing to note... I do not know how much power is available on the AC output of the 7 pin... If you only need to power the enricher, the AC side of the 6 pin is fine, but I would make sure the white isn't powering more than just the enricher.

Hey dmartin95,,
Didn't you do a good video on this conversion and everything just dropped in replacement?

And i'm sorry for the dual posts, as i am conversing with dmartin95 on his post for this on the other board.

i was in a hurry to order a regulator yesterday, and due to that and lack of forsight to ask here sooner made a couple posts. i didn't get responces as soon as i needed (nobodies fault but mine) i have went ahead and ordered the 5 wire (it was only 15 bucks). i will put my meter to it when it arrives, though i'm sure it's pretty straight up charging and go from there, whether it will overcharge i'm not sure but i'm sure it will work for the short term at least. i may end up having to go with 6 or 7 but at least then i will know, and hopoefully why.

thanks for y'alls help and any further enlightenment you guys can toss me about my questions will be greatly appreciated

The Stator/flywheel was drop in, the charging circuit of the main harness I had to rebuild. 

The scooter I worked on originally had a 4 PIN R/R, meaning from the original stator I only had two AC wires, however, the 11 pole stator I used had 3 AC wires.

The original charging circuit was made up of mostly 22 gauge, so I just rebuilt the whole circuit.

Other than wiring, it was very simple. 

Do you have a link to what R/R you ordered.

It may not work. The 5 pin R/R's that I have seen are not full wave.....

On a side note, I really should pay more attention to who I'm replying too... I didn't even realize it was you on the Professor's site I was talking to... 

For the record, It's called a single phase stator... And yes, you would match a 4 or 5 pin half wave R/R to it.

(However, this is why I asked for the link, some 5 pin R/R's are full wave R/R's.)

A triple phase stator such as the 11 coil, is capable of producing full wave theoretically doubling the amount of current that comes out of the R/R...

6, 8, 11, 12  have roughly the same amount of copper. the extra juice and what makes the 11 pole worth it is the triple phase current... So why on Earth would you put a triple phase stator on a half wave R/R. You would lose half your current and make the upgrade pointless...

So can you make your scooter start and produce juice with a triple phase stator and half wave voltage R/R? sure. Would you lose half your current? Sure would...

Let me try and break this down as simply as I can.....

For the GY6 you have two types of stators... Single Phase and Triple phase. 

The single phase will only produce half wave and you normally see them with 4~5 pin R/R's....

Triple Phase stators are capable of producing full wave and that's where you get the added benefit and more juice, hence the reason 6 and 7 pin labeled as full wave rectifiers....