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by: newbscootdude - Oct 18, 2014 15:59:46 GMT -5
Post by newbscootdude on Oct 18, 2014 15:59:46 GMT -5
hey guys im back!
so my scooter has sat for a year i havent been running it at all for that year. i pulled it out today bc i finally got the last few parts i need to finish this build. for starters i drained the old gas and put new in bike wont idle i remember having it idle no problem before i put it up as i was trying to tune the carb. but most importantly im getting this really bad up and down vibration at anything above 3k rpms enough to make the bike move around on its center stand and my arms shake while holding it. i tried to make a video of it but it came out rather bad u cant really see the vibrations but you can hear it run which brings up another question. it sounds to me like maybe a misfire you can hear it skip exhaust pulses. a little over a year ago when i last had it apart i know i put everything back together properly so i know its in time atm i dont have the iridium plug just an ngk in there umm not exactly sure what else you guys need everything else is in signature.
thats the video if u wanna check it out.
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Post by alleyoop on Oct 18, 2014 18:38:05 GMT -5
I saw you squirted starting fluid, So I assume you do not have the Air Filter hooked up. The first thing you want to do is hook up the air filter aotherwise it is not getting enough fuel and a lot of air. After it started it was running lean rpms bouncing up and down which will give you lots of vibration most likely due to a lot of air and not enough fuel .
So I suggest: 1. put the Fuel Filter on 2. Turn the fuel ratio mixture screw clockwise until it stops. 3. Then turn the fuel ratio mixture screw Counter Clockwise 2 to 2 1/2 turns and see if it acts better. Alleyoop
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by: newbscootdude - Oct 18, 2014 19:08:59 GMT -5
Post by newbscootdude on Oct 18, 2014 19:08:59 GMT -5
thanks the air filter is on its a kn style filter just squirt pretty heavy gives it enough juice to fire over. i did forget to mention that i already had the carb tuned to dam near perfection before i put it up. the revving is me keeping it from stalling the best i got was when the video goes to the muffler i was trying to keep it as steady as possible but it kept wanting to die on me so i was giving it more gas. however i will most definitely give it a try!
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Post by alleyoop on Oct 18, 2014 19:16:47 GMT -5
Ah ok, if that is the case then your pilot jet and or passage and tiny outlets by the butterfly are clogged with varnish sitting for that long. So if it was running good before you put it up the carb just needs a little cleaning ESPECIALLY the pilot jet passage and the tiny outlets by the butterfly that the pilot jet fuel get sucked out of. Alleyoop
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by: newbscootdude - Oct 19, 2014 12:27:49 GMT -5
Post by newbscootdude on Oct 19, 2014 12:27:49 GMT -5
ok cleaned out the carb this morning shes purring like a kitten tyvm alley! now i still have this pretty bad shake at anything over 3k rpms problem to figure out. i really dont want to tear through the engine and start looking for bent stuff without really knowing what im looking for so if anyone could give me some suggestions maybe ways to test without taking the engine apart it would be great! if need be i will take it apart and probably inspect the cam the rockers the valves nothing else really comes to mind so like i said before all suggestions are welcome! i dont know how to take the valves apart so if anyone could post a link to either a video or a manual/schematics with their suggestions that would be much appreciated. i keep forgetting to add in my signature its a 4 stroke.
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Post by alleyoop on Oct 19, 2014 13:09:18 GMT -5
It may be misfiring if you have another CDI try it. Alleyoop
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by: newbscootdude - Oct 19, 2014 13:13:57 GMT -5
Post by newbscootdude on Oct 19, 2014 13:13:57 GMT -5
i think i have the stock one laying around some where ill really have to look for it ill let you know if i find it and try it.
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Post by rockynv on Oct 20, 2014 4:19:35 GMT -5
Tires and belt can be an issue after sitting so long too. A tire that has hardened out of round or a belt that has set in one position can make a bike do quite a stand dance.
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Post by scooter on Oct 20, 2014 17:42:51 GMT -5
Is it anything like this?
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Post by JerryScript on Oct 20, 2014 17:43:30 GMT -5
I agree with rockynv, the belt is probably out of round from sitting in one position. A few miles on her will probably clear it up if this is the case. If the vibration continues after 20-30 miles, I would continue to hunt for a cause.
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by: newbscootdude - Oct 21, 2014 11:28:33 GMT -5
Post by newbscootdude on Oct 21, 2014 11:28:33 GMT -5
ok im just scared to ride it bc the vibration is that bad. ill start her up and take the cvt cover off and give it a look. will i notice any bends while im doing this? also the belt i got from scrappy dog scooters is a bando belt i believe its kevlar. i was looking at it the other night and noticed that a string was peeling off the side of the belt just under the top band and just above the grooves in the belt where the band and groves meet and this is a brand new belt maybe has 20 miles on it. when i got the belt it was supper hard to put it on and i feel like the belt is way to small for the cvt even with the clutch pulled all the way out it was a pain in the arse to get it on. when i called them they told me that its the right size i have a long case (9 bolts and 12 inch tire) i havent inspected the belt while its running yet so im gonna go do that now and see what it looks like while its running but again im not revving the engine anything past 4k rpms bc the shake gets too bad for my comfort so idk if itll go out to that final gear ratio at that low rpms. would a flat spot in a tire cause it to shake bad while its on the center stand bc the tire is out of round and off balance? ill let the bike idle for say an hour and see if the belt straightens out.
if i do all this and the shake is still there i know im gonna have to take her apart but what would i even be looking for? im kinda worried its something to do with the crank.....
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by: newbscootdude - Oct 21, 2014 11:55:38 GMT -5
Post by newbscootdude on Oct 21, 2014 11:55:38 GMT -5
oh and alleyoop i couldnt find the stock cdi to try that out heres the video
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by: newbscootdude - Oct 21, 2014 18:31:56 GMT -5
Post by newbscootdude on Oct 21, 2014 18:31:56 GMT -5
I agree with rockynv, the belt is probably out of round from sitting in one position. A few miles on her will probably clear it up if this is the case. If the vibration continues after 20-30 miles, I would continue to hunt for a cause. drove it around for about an hour hour and a half doing a swerving/bobbing motion the whole time to heat the tires up but to no avail... i think i may have located where the shake is coming from tho! i feel its either the clutch or the rear tire. im going to take the clutch off and give it a look at and take some pictures maybe you guys will spot something. if that comes up as a dead end my job has a tire balancing machine so ill through it on there see if that helps. i was able to get the scooter up to around 5-5.7k rpms but then the shake got pretty violent. towards the end of my ride i was giving it full throttle for a little just to see what happens for a sec or two and whatever is shaking is causing almost total power loss. starting out is just fine a little shake at 3k rpms smooths out a little inbetween the 3.5-5k rpm range but once it hits 5k the shake becomes really bad and all power is lost i dont know how else to describe it but is it possible for the clutch to shake and lose contact with the clutch bell (or whatever it contacts with not sure tbh)?
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Post by rockynv on Oct 21, 2014 20:38:12 GMT -5
There is also the possibility that the exposed Kevlar fibers have dug grooves in the variator drive faces which will cause vabrations at various rpm as the belt passes over them. This can be amplified by a belt that has hardened.
At walking speeds do you get a mild up and down sensation when rolling along? That would indicate a out of round tire that is unsafe to ride on due to the cord rotting out and starting to herniate. Check this before going too crazy tearing things apart.
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by: newbscootdude - Oct 22, 2014 8:05:50 GMT -5
Post by newbscootdude on Oct 22, 2014 8:05:50 GMT -5
There is also the possibility that the exposed Kevlar fibers have dug grooves in the variator drive faces which will cause vabrations at various rpm as the belt passes over them. This can be amplified by a belt that has hardened. At walking speeds do you get a mild up and down sensation when rolling along? That would indicate a out of round tire that is unsafe to ride on due to the cord rotting out and starting to herniate. Check this before going too crazy tearing things apart. no i really dont get anything like that while walking it but ill check again to make sure. ill inspect the variator face make sure its got no grooves in it. could the same thing happen to the clutch side of the cvt? (again idk what thats called) i was looking at the tire while letting it slowly turn to look for bumbs and flat spots i did not see anything.
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