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Post by danno on Aug 7, 2014 19:14:28 GMT -5
Btw..I got this response from the Burgman forum....There was apparently a design flaw during 2007-2009 period on the 400....This overheating was an issue because there was no venting. Suzuki later redesigned it which fixed the issue.
Let me know what you think?
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Post by danno on Aug 7, 2014 19:15:10 GMT -5
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Post by rockynv on Aug 8, 2014 4:12:25 GMT -5
Hard to comprehend a clutch worn out on a Burgman 400 in only 11,500 miles. One would expect 50,000+ miles before you got to that point. Are you the original owner? If not possibly the previous owner like to sit at stoplights gunning the engine against the brakes heating up the clutch. If you can get a look at how worn the clutch shoes are and find that they have plenty of material left you can run that until they are worn down however you may just want to remove the nut and pull the clutch bell so you can clean things out. If the bell is still in the correct thickness range for continued use and the shoes are good then cleaning may get you going for 20,000 or so miles. I'm the second owner. The previous owner was an old guy like me and I doubt seriously he'd be the type to sit at stoplights gunning the engine against the brakes heating up the clutch. My work hours dictates I won't be able to tackle this until next week.Again, thanks for your time. I'll take more pictures once I get to it next week. He may have been a creeper or used a little throttle to hold position instead of the brake when on an uphill stop. If he did a lot of u-turns or slow maneuvering he would also have been on the throttle while holding the rear brake to stay in the friction zone. After giving this some thought you do need to pull the bell to remove the clutch from the spindle and if the shoes check out Ok you need to at least wipe down the clutch shaft and apply fresh grease to the needle bearings inside the clutch that ride on the clutch shaft also putting a light film on the shaft itself. Even if you decide to go with a new clutch you need to be sure to grease the needle bearings and shaft to ensure smooth idling and engagement along with long life of the bearings and clutch shaft. Many people even mechanics overlook this and put them together dry. If you replace the clutch you should also verify the condition and thickness of the bell replacing it if its scored, thin or too heat damaged.
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Post by danno on Aug 8, 2014 4:16:57 GMT -5
Being new at this I risk embarrassing myself with a dumb question....that being said...here's a dumb question.;-)
Is there a brand of grease or type of grease I need to use? A future issue will be eventually replacing the belt. Is there a way of getting the belt off without the special tool as shown? Would an impact wrench do it?
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Post by rockynv on Aug 9, 2014 5:46:25 GMT -5
Any good quality high speed bearing grease should do. Be careful not to select a chassis grease specifically formulated for ball joints and tie rod ends as it will not be up to the needs of a high speed needle/roller bearing.
You can use an impact wrench to get things off without collateral damage if you know what your doing and keep a firm grip on things so the impacts are not transferred to crank shaft and gearbox components. You will still need the correct tools to torque the nuts back on to specification. Consider the value of a Burgman and what you'll put at risk by cheating on the re-assembly process. I found Buzzetti made an economical set of holding tools for my bike and it was $50 well spent balanced against the cost of prematurely replacing parts that should last 50,000 to 80,000 miles or having other collateral damage.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Aug 9, 2014 8:00:19 GMT -5
Belt on a 400 Burgy should be good for 15,000+ miles. (There are guys on B-USA with 20K on a belt.) I would wait til then, and probably do the whole thing at the same time.
Basically, from what I have heard/seen, this is alarming but not a real problem.
The absolute BEST grease I have ever seen is the sodium-based long-fiber green stuff that Chrysler has used for decades. Any dealer can get it, PN 4318064.
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Post by rockynv on Aug 18, 2014 22:29:49 GMT -5
Belt on a 400 Burgy should be good for 15,000+ miles. (There are guys on B-USA with 20K on a belt.) I would wait til then, and probably do the whole thing at the same time. Basically, from what I have heard/seen, this is alarming but not a real problem. The absolute BEST grease I have ever seen is the sodium-based long-fiber green stuff that Chrysler has used for decades. Any dealer can get it, PN 4318064. Just watch out on other items that don't react well with sodium lubricants. Had one mechanic destroy some brass drives that the sodium pressure additives just ate up. A really great grease for parts designed to hold up to a sodium based lube and should work well on the clutch bearing. Also you should clean out the old grease as completely as possible since sodium grease is highly incompatible with most other grease formulations. See: www.petroliance.com/sites/default/files/PDF/Grease/Grease%20Compatibility%20Information.pdf
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