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Post by lawauna52 on Jul 25, 2014 14:27:11 GMT -5
Tao Tao ATM50-A1 was delivered Monday from proven power sports .Love the red scooter but it only ran first day.My daughter was ridding to work Tues and it just quit,bought it home changed spark plug,fuse,premium gas and it wont start,but its trying.I bought some starter fluid i don't know where to put it.lights coming on fine but it wont start .Don't know how to operate kick start either if any one can help its my daughters b-day present and she only rode it once.William is going to send new carburetor but I don't know that's the problem.HELP PLEASE
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Post by rockynv on Jul 25, 2014 23:23:55 GMT -5
What is the level and condition of the engine oil? What ships with the bike is usually just for shipping and needs to be changed before you run the bike. The same holds true of the gear oil.
Did she run it out of gas or did it just quit? Usually you need to go lightly and not run a 50cc bike over 25 mph for the first few hundred miles to allow the valves to work in and the piston rings to seat.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jul 26, 2014 3:46:06 GMT -5
WELCOME to the site!!!
Could be most anything, but with a new Chinese scooter my first thought would be that something just "came loose". I'd check ALL hoses... Fuel, vacuum, every rubber hose. It could have one cracked, or pulled loose.
You said it "tries" to fire, so also check the spark-plug wire to be sure it's on tight, AND check the SPARK PLUG to be sure it's snugly tightened into the head. On a new scooter, ANYTHING could be loose!
Check the wires where they plug into the CDI ignition-module, and check the BATTERY leads to be sure they're tight, and the ground is grounded. Also check the fuse holder in the battery hot-side wire if it has one to be sure it's snugly connected and the fuse is well-connected with spring pressure making connection to the fuse.
Sounds like it's NOT getting good spark, OR it's not getting enough fuel. Check everything associated with both. Chinese scooters often have something loose, or poorly connected, and it's a simple problem. NO guaranties, but quite likely... LOL!
Also, good advice to change out the engine and gear-oil. The original stuff is usually very poor.
You can check for spark by pulling the plug and holding the plug-body against a ground and turning the engine over.
To use starting fluid, remove the air-filter intake from the carburetor mouth, and spray a LITTLE fluid into the carb mouth.
I doubt if your problem is anything too unusual, and can most likely be solved with a thorough "prep" of all the "things Chinese" that often are not proper from the factory.
Try everything, and if it still won't go, re-post with what you did, and somebody on the site will surely be able to get your daughter's ride up and running.
Less-than-optimal factory prep is one reason Chinese scoots are so affordable, but once you go through and correct the little bugs, they are usually pretty reliable, AND a real bargain!
Best wishes, and keep us posted...
Leo in Texas
PS: The kick-starter should just engage when you kick it. For effective starting, you need to gently push it until you feel the engine come up against compression, then kick it soundly to turn it over. The kickers on these are really ONLY for emergency starting, and not too well designed so if the electric starter is functioning, it's best to use it. Just don't crank for more than a few seconds at a time, (maybe 8-10 revolutions or so) to avoid overheating the starter.
And remember to hold a brake lever while starting. Most scooters have a "safety interlock" preventing starting unless at least the rear brake lever is squeezed, AND BOTH center and side-stands are up. Also, be careful not to engage the manual "kill-switch" on the handlebar... We've ALL done that, and wasted hours trying to get it started! Sometimes just raising the seat, or fumbling the starter-button will accidentally trip the switch.
Every once in a while, I still find my old Kymco not firing... A quick check usually shows that I forgot to kick up the side-stand, OR that I accidentally engaged the kill-switch when I opened the electric folding mirrors... Getting old I guess! But we ALL do those things... LOL!
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Post by lawauna52 on Jul 26, 2014 8:45:44 GMT -5
I changed gear oil as well as oil I'm in fortwayne,in and a guy who repairs mopeds is trying to charge me $100 I don't have to get it running I'm going to try everything I see on comments
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Post by lawauna52 on Jul 26, 2014 10:15:10 GMT -5
everytime I try to start the scooter I turn to kill switch off I did not know it was supposed to stay on now it's in the ON position what do i do someone please help
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jul 26, 2014 12:50:19 GMT -5
With the kill-switch on, it should run. If not, then you'll need to check all the basics... fuel-lines, vacuum-lines, electric connections, etc.
And, be SURE you're holding the rear-brake lever on, AND be sure the side-stand is not down. It should start OK sitting on the center-stand, but NOT with the side-stand down. In my earlier reply, I did say be sure BOTH stands are up. I was wanting to be SURE no ignition interlocks were engaged, but it should be started on the center-stand, just for safety. You don't want it to "run-away" with you if you start it with the wheels on the ground... THAT is why they require the rear-brake to be engaged when starting. If it's on the ground, that ensures it stays put... LOL!
I got your message about the oil. With a quart of oil in the engine, it should show near full on your dipstick. Better check to be sure the drain-plug is in, and that oil didn't run out, as you put it in. There's only ONE place to fill the engine oil, that's the dipstick "hole"... so I can't imagine accidentally putting the new oil in the wrong place. But that new oil must be somewhere.
You'll get it running OK... Sometimes it just takes some real patience and thorough inspection.
Ride safe!
Leo in Texas
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Post by lawauna52 on Jul 26, 2014 21:37:00 GMT -5
With the kill-switch on, it should run. If not, then you'll need to check all the basics... fuel-lines, vacuum-lines, electric connections, etc. And, be SURE you're holding the rear-brake lever on, AND be sure the side-stand is not down. It should start OK sitting on the center-stand, but NOT with the side-stand down. In my earlier reply, I did say be sure BOTH stands are up. I was wanting to be SURE no ignition interlocks were engaged, but it should be started on the center-stand, just for safety. You don't want it to "run-away" with you if you start it with the wheels on the ground... THAT is why they require the rear-brake to be engaged when starting. If it's on the ground, that ensures it stays put... LOL! I got your message about the oil. With a quart of oil in the engine, it should show near full on your dipstick. Better check to be sure the drain-plug is in, and that oil didn't run out, as you put it in. There's only ONE place to fill the engine oil, that's the dipstick "hole"... so I can't imagine accidentally putting the new oil in the wrong place. But that new oil must be somewhere. You'll get it running OK... Sometimes it just takes some real patience and thorough inspection. Ride safe! Leo in Texas
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Post by spandi on Jul 26, 2014 22:01:27 GMT -5
After I pdi'ed my scoot it still wouldn't start, turns out one of the connections on the coil prong slipped off, after that it fired first try. You'll find it soon-or-later.
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