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Post by geh3333 on Jul 1, 2014 2:04:14 GMT -5
whatever then fine its cool. with me, its your bike. i did mention that the cvt is a system. systems dont, switch, without certain things. under certain conditions things have to be met. your getting a new variator. thatll fix it. i dont know why them sliders break. its a good idea to check them every once in a while and repalce them. once they break, the variators shot. you where throwing more sliders at them and they where breaking over and over. guess what? you dont need to. do anything. get a new variator and use some quality brand sliders. if a drive and driven pulley.. are together. their in a system. that's 2 different things. they need gaskets to be in a sytem together. thats why im calling them gaskets. they are, gaskets. the rear driven pulley, if you take it apart. where the 2 different ramps, slide apart, there are gaskets. on teh variator, it slides back and forth with, the ramp plate. and variator. lon the back, its the driven pulley, and torque converter. these things dont operate without, gaskets. the rear has gaskets between these. so does the front. You didn't read my post , or you don't pay attention . A new variator will not fix the problem . I've gone through 4 variators and the v slides break within 60 miles on each. The problem is in the clutch ,more than likely because the pads are wore down . That and the combination of the 1500 rpm springs and the 2000 main . I've ruined 2 Koso variators and now on on my 2nd stock variator which already has groves worn in from metal on metal contact . The variator I have in now wasn't to bad so I filed down the metal guides on tha variator so it's smooth again . I am using three half broken v slides that are working for now with no metal on metal contact . I checked them after 35 miles of running a little easier on the throttle and the seem to be holding up for now . |
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Post by rexxk on Jul 1, 2014 11:37:24 GMT -5
i didnt say that was your problem. you dont read. i said your variators broke. if the slides break, then you run some that barely are, held together, and its not tearing apart i dont know how your thing has broke 6 times. and there are a lot mroe torquey things than yours. in case you havent read that. that use a cvt. you dont read. i wrote that. all in one thing. but youve just insulted me over and over.
and quit telling people to ride on a broken variator.
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Post by geh3333 on Jul 2, 2014 0:55:44 GMT -5
i didnt say that was your problem. you dont read. i said your variators broke. if the slides break, then you run some that barely are, held together, and its not tearing apart i dont know how your thing has broke 6 times. and there are a lot mroe torquey things than yours. in case you havent read that. that use a cvt. you dont read. i wrote that. all in one thing. but youve just insulted me over and over. and quit telling people to ride on a broken variator. Go back and read what you wrote , u said "your getting a new variator that will fix it " you also said " you don't need to do anything . Get a new variator and use some quality brand sliders " . A new variator WILL NOT FIX THE PROBLEM . Also u said I kept throwing in new v slides in a broken variator and they kept breaking over and over . I never did or said I did that . Like I said I went through 4 variators and all together five sets of v slides . I didn't keep using new v slides in one single broken variator . I'm pointing this out to you " Rex" so you can see that what you are saying is not helping because you either are not reading all of the posts or you just do not know what u are talking about . |
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Post by geh3333 on Jul 2, 2014 1:10:01 GMT -5
Hey Rex nobody is telling anyone to ride on a broken variator . I definitely didn't tell anyone to ride on a broken variator . I'm using my last variator until I get a new one , but I temperarily fixed the variator so that I can ride , and I'm using the three best v slides that I have , and yes the v slides are half broken but I turned them around so that the good side is in the position to take the most stress . I'm only doing this so that I can ride until I get the new parts , and I never told anyone to use a broken variator ! I have no clue where u come up with this stuff , nowhere in the thread does anyone tell anybody to ride on a broken variator .
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Post by rexxk on Jul 2, 2014 3:01:22 GMT -5
Hey Rex nobody is telling anyone to ride on a broken variator . I definitely didn't tell anyone to ride on a broken variator . I'm using my last variator until I get a new one , but I temperarily fixed the variator so that I can ride , and I'm using the three best v slides that I have , and yes the v slides are half broken but I turned them around so that the good side is in the position to take the most stress . I'm only doing this so that I can ride until I get the new parts , and I never told anyone to use a broken variator ! I have no clue where u come up with this stuff , nowhere in the thread does anyone tell anybody to ride on a broken variator . I ran a 2000 main spring in my ncy clutch assembled for about 3 yrs and at the end of last yr I blew out my v sliders in the variator . . I ordered 3 more sets this yr and a new 2000 main spring . I quickly blew out a new set of v's . Next I replaced the 2000 main with a stock , I still blew out another set quickly . So next thought was my ncy clutch bearings are bad so I replaced it with a stock clutch pulley , I used my 1500 rpm clutch springs and my ncy clutch pads with a stock main spring . Problem seemed to be solved , so I installed the new 2000 ncy main spring and i blew out the v's again in about 60 miles . I'm pretty sure the ncy clutch bearings are bad but why is my 2000 main blowing the v's out ? They are made to run in the cvt . Could the new. 2000 main be to strong from factory ? Go back and read what you wrote , u said "your getting a new variator that will fix it " you also said " you don't need to do anything . Get a new variator and use some quality brand sliders " . A new variator WILL NOT FIX THE PROBLEM . Also u said I kept throwing in new v slides in a broken variator and they kept breaking over and over . I never did or said I did that . Like I said I went through 4 variators and all together five sets of v slides . I didn't keep using new v slides in one single broken variator . I'm pointing this out to you " Rex" so you can see that what you are saying is not helping because you either are not reading all of the posts or you just do not know what u are talking about . BUTT YOU NEVER MENTINED THAT YOU GAVE ONE CRAP ABOUT YOUR BROKEN VARIATOR. YOU MNENTIONED IT TO SOMEOEN ELSE THEN YELL AT IT ABOUT ME. SHUTUP |
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Post by rexxk on Jul 2, 2014 3:03:01 GMT -5
here ill offer advice.
anwer my question. what engine code do you have?
and i answered lots of your questions already. like, there are way more torquey bikes than yours. so there. does that answer your 2000 rpm springs problem or whatever else? you have no reason to yell at me. youve never mentioned your variator. you talked to someone else about it, and you never said youcared. so tehre. theres my resopnse.
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Post by geh3333 on Jul 3, 2014 0:44:58 GMT -5
here ill offer advice. anwer my question. what engine code do you have? and i answered lots of your questions already. like, there are way more torquey bikes than yours. so there. does that answer your 2000 rpm springs problem or whatever else? you have no reason to yell at me. youve never mentioned your variator. you talked to someone else about it, and you never said youcared. so tehre. theres my resopnse. Did u ever wonder why almost everytime you post something it's either ignored or someone gives u Sh-t for it ? It's because your posts are ridiculous . They don't make sense . When you start to have many different people either ignoring or giving you Sh-t for what you post it means that you are more than likely the problem . I have no clue what you mean when you say I don't care abouty broken variator . Alley and I already figured my slides are breaking due to my rpms running higher at takeoff before the clutch fully engages , and that's due to my clutch pads being to low , that and the combination of the 2000 main , 1500 rpm springs , and running it hard . |
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Post by geh3333 on Jul 3, 2014 0:46:40 GMT -5
Hey Rex , please don't offer any more advice I'm begging you ! " I'm not being sarcastic "
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Post by rexxk on Jul 3, 2014 3:04:37 GMT -5
thats why the slides are breaking. new ones wont stop it. and new springs wont stop that from happenning either. if it did then noone with big bore kits and big motors would ever be able to use this CVT type of transmission. and if your belts too tight itll also break the driven pulley.
Your ignoring me and you responded to this earlier when I said it. Part of what I said in that.
So you make no sense. Your still not admitting your broken variator is broke. Seems the problem you had was your sliders broke. Your first post made no sense. you broke 4 sets or something of these slides is what you said.
Never mentioned the 4 variators. you said 4-5 sets. So that could be, 1 set, 2nd varitor, 2 sets 3rd variator, 3 sets, 4th variator, 4 sets. variator broken 5 sets.
So quit using your broken variator it will stop.
your topic title is YOUR SLIDES WONT STOP BREAKING.
I never read you mentioned to someone else about a broken variator. You make no sense. I just made sense, adding.
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Post by rexxk on Jul 3, 2014 3:07:22 GMT -5
you never once mentioned that it was the other problem.
you mentioned you claim you think you know its the springs. You say your rpms are 3000 rpms. Well in that other topic you said that guys rpms where 3000 when it sounded no where near it. So, ive never seen your tach or heard your bike. So I just think you guys cant tunea bike or set up a tach. I said my bike runs 2000 rpm red grab springs. so i couldnt think of nothing worse than that. and mine doenst shoot out sliders. I mentinoed when mine did, and why.
koso sliders look see through, and their light. they make variators not slides. them things are cheap and break. Dont use them.
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Post by geh3333 on Jul 4, 2014 14:03:39 GMT -5
U need to read all the posts because if u would have read my second post I mentioned the variators ! Next I did say I need a new variator " many times" but I temporarily fixed my last one until I get a new variator . The problem is the clutch pads being to low to use with the 1500 rpm springs and the 2000 main spring . Because with this combo my clutch isn't engaging until around 4000 rpms and this is causing to much tension on the variator causing the v slides to slam against the metal guide rails of the variator . So the main problem is the clutch pads . Now my scoot idles at 2000 rpms not 3000 rpms " I never said it idles at 3000 ." And when it came to the other thread I was right about his tach being way of " it was set wrong " . And later in one of his videos his scoot was idling around 2300 rpms and I said it sounds like his tach is reading right . " I have a very good ear for that kind of stuff , and again I was right " and yes my topic is "main spring problem " that's because I thought my new 2000 main spring was tighter then normal , than as the thread went on and I did more tests the problem was discovered . My belt is not to tight I use an 842mm gates Kevlar belt " pretty much the best u can buy" the belt was never an issue . U keep saying " quit using your broken variator it will stop " again the variator is not the issue . And yes I broke 5 sets with 4 variators , DID IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU THAT YOU CAN USE THE VARIATOR AGAIN IF U CHANGE THE SLIDES BEFORE DAMAGE IS CAUSED TO THE VARIATOR ? Thats how I went thru five sets . Did u notice nobody else questioned that ? It's because they know that's probably what happened . Please think a little . And I hate to put a wrench in your theory about the red v slides that come with the Koso variators being junk . But they lasted longer then any other ones I've ever used . My first set almost three yrs ago lasted about 2.5 yrs " 10,000 miles "
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Post by geh3333 on Jul 4, 2014 14:04:48 GMT -5
I'm trying to get this guy to wisen up , lol but sure it won't work !
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Post by rexxk on Jul 4, 2014 14:11:39 GMT -5
i told you you have a broken variator and to stop using it. your the one jumping at me like im taking over your topic. fake trying to pretend your topic has been hijacked. still you insisting anything on me the onl thing ive said in opposition to you is your variators broke, not working your using it, that means your putting it to work, saying that its working. didnt say you said, that with your mouth, you are using it, putting it to work, working the variator. quit saying it works. you should say it might break. because i told you its broke to tell you it can break and take out many things, read all my responses, i said that too. your just not listenning, and attacking me for no reason..
no reason for me to delve in to your posts their not very informative. i read skim over your posts, get a hunch, get a drift, i get what your saying becuase i can see where your leading with when your talking.
ive been giving the best advice and your not paying attention becuase your too busy saying your not paying attentino to me. but then, that's all your doing. ive diagnosed your bike as far as im concerned theres nothing to discuss. why its breakign, ive gave some hints, but you wont pay attention. so let you test, test, and test. like ive done. see ya.
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Post by rexxk on Jul 4, 2014 14:14:56 GMT -5
no it dosnt occur to me you can use the variator again after it breaks. i read that. ive done that thats why i know. thats why i call it gaskets. and seals.
how do you think the cvt works? it works, left and right. not up and down. it relies on seals and gaskets to keep smooth flow operation. once it breaks once, youve dug a ditch. the ramp plate will now ride on this ditch. sliders, the guides, plastic, arent made to ride on a ditch,now are they? theyre made to slide, straight up and down. plastic isnt goign to wear the outta metal. so it would take a long time as long as they never made metal to metal contact to wear out.
and no i dont think you sanded it smooth enough to keep high speed runs and long runs to keep from breaking those, and wiping out your cvt, crankshaft and anything else in there ............. man.
thats what the point is when talkign about cvt, the freakign belt. these thigns SUCK when they break, and nobody wants a broke belt. how do you get one of those home? you push it 2 miles. thats how.
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Post by rexxk on Jul 4, 2014 14:20:04 GMT -5
dur does your belt have slack? any, i mena just a tiny bit? i mean fit like a glove? if not i would think its the belt. or the thing the belt goes on, the scooter. thats the problem. are you putting it on irght? theres no adjustments so its all to putting it on right. you got the right size belt? how much slack dontcha have? can you find a different belt? use the same angle and width of belt though as your stock one. cause them pulleys ride on that. maybe theres a longer belt if you have a bunch of too much tightness.
your springs or what speed your bikes starts going at, doesnt matter. thats not your problem. i tried to tell you. maybe its the quality? tell me again about all that takeoff torque you have?
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