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Post by gtbike on Mar 18, 2013 23:21:10 GMT -5
I'm a little annoyed the old forum threads and usernames didn't get moved over but...
My Znen 150 stopped turning over using the electric start. I have never gotten the kickstarter to start it but that's another story, but it is correctly installed.
How do I check the system from the button down to the starter for continuity and such?
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Post by justbuggin2 on Mar 18, 2013 23:56:47 GMT -5
do you have a multi meter if so start at the battery checking your voltage you should have around 12.5 to 13 volts then check the fuse by the battery by taking it out and checking contenuity if all the above is good turn you switch on and apply the brakes one side at a time check to see if the brake lights come on if not then the switch for that side is not working ether you have a bad switch or loose connection if they both work then you will need to check the starter soliniod you can jump the 2 large termanials with a screwdriver your starter should spin the motor if not then you starter motor is bad or the bendix is
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Post by alleyoop on Mar 19, 2013 0:11:37 GMT -5
Easyiest is to turn key on and tape your brake on so that the stop lights come on, the go to your Solenoid and test the GREEN and WHITE wire for juice, a LIGHT TESTER PROBE works great. If it lights up juice is getting to the Solenoid. Now the start button all it does is GROUND the SOLENOID and should activate it and if working should send the 12v to the starter. So now that you verified juice is getting to the SOLENOID you can check if the connections are good from the battery to the Solenoid and to the Starter, JUMP the two terminals on the SOLENOID it should spin your starter. If not you either have a bad battery or bad connections, on the solenoid or starter or a bad ground. If it spins your starter now you know your starter is good your battery is ok. So it is one of two things the Solenoid is bad internally or the START BUTTON is not grounding the Solenoid. One of the Other wires going to the Solenoid is your GROUND WIRE FROM THE START BUTTON so you have to check for continuity on one of the other wires going to the SOLENOID with the Start Button pushed. If no continuity on either of the wires BEDSIDE the GREEN and YELLOW which carries the voltage then your problem is by the PUSH BUTTON if you do have continuity then you have a bad Solenoid. Alleyoop THE GREEN/YELLOW CARRIES the JUICE WHEN BRAKES ARE SQUEEZED. One of the other wires is the GROUND FROM THE START BUTTON to Complete the Circuit.  |
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Post by gtbike on Mar 29, 2013 23:06:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the excpicit directions.  The scoot starts by jumping the solenoid, the kill switch will kill the motor but the start button just isn't shorting the solenoid. I'll have to track down the grounding locations for the starter button wires, any directions or ideas on where I should look? My scooter panels were removed for warranty maintenence (so said the PO) before I got it so many of the tabs for the panels are gone so I have an elaborate system of heavy zip ties keeping them all butted up to each other and the less I have to remove the better. |
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Post by alleyoop on Mar 29, 2013 23:19:29 GMT -5
Since it spun your starter when you jumped the terminals it could be your SOLENOID is bad and it MAY NOT be the ground from the start button BUT it is one of the TWO.
If you push the START BUTTON and you hear CLICKING IT IS YOUR SOLENOID that is bad.
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Post by gy6girl on Mar 30, 2013 13:02:29 GMT -5
I own that same type of scooter.
I bought it used for $120 because it stopped starting and he couldn't fix it.
He replaced the coil and sparkplug cable, the sparkplug, the solenoid, and still couldn't get it to start.
Then I came along.
Well here is a scooter that doesn't run. So offered him $120 and he took it.
What was wrong with it?
Bad battery.
I don't know if it has something to do with the fact that these scooters are DC, but they have to have a good battery.
The guy told me he checked and charged the battery and it was fine. Wrong.
Yeah, if you put a multi-meter on it, it says it has the voltage.
But put a real battery tester and throw a load onto it, you can then see it doesn't have the amps to keep up.
Putting a charger on the battery on surface charges the battery and it still doesn't have enough power to work the scooter.
I pulled the battery off of my other other scooter and put it on there... vrrrooomm!!
Started right up.... $120!
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Post by alleyoop on Mar 30, 2013 13:24:31 GMT -5
When he jumped the SOLENOID IT SPUN his starter so it is not the battery.
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Post by gy6girl on Mar 30, 2013 14:36:20 GMT -5
When he jumped the SOLENOID IT SPUN his starter so it is not the battery. Alleyoop Yeah.. I didn't read all the posts. |
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Post by gtbike on Apr 1, 2013 13:46:25 GMT -5
When I hit the button I do not hear any solenoid clicking so sounds like a grounding issue. My question is where would the grounds on this be?
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Post by gy6girl on Apr 2, 2013 0:28:40 GMT -5
When I hit the button I do not hear any solenoid clicking so sounds like a grounding issue. My question is where would the grounds on this be? Ok.. I did read through the posts... If you don't hear the clicking of the solenoid, then why would you not think it's the solenoid? Why do you say it's a grounding issue? |
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Post by alleyoop on Apr 2, 2013 1:04:53 GMT -5
Reason I think it is a grounding issue is because when you press the brakes that sends juice to the solenoid and stop lights.
When you press the start button that grounds the solenoid to complete the circuit. If it clicks that usually points to the solenoid contact being bad it is getting juice and it is being grounded and what you hear is the arching.
If the contact inside was stuck in the closed position it would continue to spin your starter and drain you battery.
So the most likely culprit is that the Circuit is not being completed by the start button. So best to check the wire from the start button and or the start button contact.
It could still very well be the Solenoid but in this scenario the most likely culprit is the ground from the start button.
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Post by gtbike on Apr 3, 2013 23:31:07 GMT -5
Ok so more mystery to unravel, should my brake lights go on if I just have the key to on but the engine not running? If so, I may have another issue altogether.
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Post by alleyoop on Apr 3, 2013 23:36:55 GMT -5
The only time YOUR BRAKE LIGHTS Should come on is if you squeeze the BRAKES either one.
Now what you may be seeing it your TAILLIGHT that are on. So with the key on the taillights may come on DEPENDS on how your scooter is wired NOW SQUEEZE the BRAKES do the LIGHTS BRIGTHENUP? if so all is cool.
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Post by gatekeeper on Apr 3, 2013 23:40:46 GMT -5
The brake lights should only come on when the key is on and the brake handle is squeezed. Doesn't matter if the engine is running or not as the brake light is fed by the battery.
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Post by gtbike on Apr 7, 2013 1:15:54 GMT -5
Now I'm onto another issue... The brake lights don't come on when either brake is squeezed. Since its both I'm guessing something other than one of the switches? What do I look for in that case?
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