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Post by prodigit on Nov 5, 2013 11:01:02 GMT -5
Yeah, pretty much agree with above statement!
I think it's a load of bull when they say about mixing oils. It's the same thing as going Mobil 10W40 one day and the next oilchange do Valvoline, and the next yet another brand.
I think it matters more choosing good brands, than worrying about mixing oils. Even if the specs are very precise.
Concerning the thickness of oils, if you put 20W50 in your engine and run with it for 100k miles, it'll come out as black water, because the thickness wears off over many miles.
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Post by larrball on Nov 5, 2013 21:06:13 GMT -5
I doin't understand just how hard you people make a simple oil change in to "the bible". To the OP: You have a high end scooter-- Change the oil to the brand and type your scooter Dealer recommended (are you under warranty?) It's Plain and simple, if you can afford the ride, you will not Break the bank doing the Correct service to your ride and you will thank yourself in the long run. You Treat your scooter well and it pay's you back with years of fun. ===================== [Jump's off his soap box]  |
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Post by rockynv on Nov 6, 2013 5:32:33 GMT -5
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Post by urbanmadness on Nov 7, 2013 21:25:04 GMT -5
Read the manual about your bike.... Piaggio and Aprilla recomend to change the filter only every other oil change on some of their engines (the 500cc specifically) Do yourself a favor, change the filter (consider the current filter contaminated as it's had the wrong oil in the engine).... It's cheaper then replacing the oil pump. This is a real concern as we are headed to cooler weather and the pump will be stressed pumping that thicker oil around. Your bike is not an air cooled GY6 where a destroyed swing arm can be replaced for under 500 bucks. |
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Post by alleyoop on Nov 7, 2013 21:37:30 GMT -5
I don't remember who it was, but one of the guys PMed me on the old ScootDawg when I mentioned once that I didn't think I belonged 'cause I know nothing about mechanicking and didn't have a China-scoot. Besides telling me none of that mattered, he also told me he would never work on a Piaggio engine in his garage 'cause their specs are so precise and his garage is a typical home garage with dirt and stuff. I would imagine if the specs are that precise, then it really does matter about the oil. >'Kat, giving her blonde non-mech view on this  Don't believe that I have TWO HONDA and SUZUKI B&M shops around me and they are definitely NOT MISTER CLEAN(HAHA). They may want you to think that but NA NA not so. Alleyoop |
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Post by urbanmadness on Nov 7, 2013 22:00:26 GMT -5
I don't remember who it was, but one of the guys PMed me on the old ScootDawg when I mentioned once that I didn't think I belonged 'cause I know nothing about mechanicking and didn't have a China-scoot. Besides telling me none of that mattered, he also told me he would never work on a Piaggio engine in his garage 'cause their specs are so precise and his garage is a typical home garage with dirt and stuff. I would imagine if the specs are that precise, then it really does matter about the oil. >'Kat, giving her blonde non-mech view on this Don't believe that I have TWO HONDA and SUZUKI B&M shops around me and they are definitely NOT MISTER CLEAN(HAHA). They may want you to think that but NA NA not so. Alleyoop The cleanest shops I've seen other then the dealership that works on my Honda Ridgline, is the transmission guy that built the tranny for my full size Jimmy. Then the chinese scooter shop I go to, his shop is very, very clean, cleaner then the Honda dealership even. His people take a lot of pride in what they do. Just because you work on something perceived as cheap, doesn't mean that you should have a dirty messy shop. KAT: This forum exists for everyone who rides a scooter not just those who wrench on them. Someone saying that is just wrong. |
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Post by rockynv on Nov 8, 2013 0:29:21 GMT -5
[quote author=" urbanmadness" source="/post/53677/thread" timestamp="1383877504Read the manual about your bike.... Piaggio and Aprilla recomend to change the filter only every other oil change on some of their engines (the 500cc specifically) Do yourself a favor, change the filter (consider the current filter contaminated as it's had the wrong oil in the engine).... It's cheaper then replacing the oil pump. This is a real concern as we are headed to cooler weather and the pump will be stressed pumping that thicker oil around. Your bike is not an air cooled GY6 where a destroyed swing arm can be replaced for under 500 bucks. [/quote] Current Piaggio Service Station manuals specify to change the oil filter at every oil change. They also specify to no longer wash the foam air filter but to simply replace it. The foam filters have been breaking down after washing possibly due to ethanol fumes and chlorimide in the public water supply so they are taking no chances and instruct you to just toss them and put in a new one. For most this will be a task done every year or two and a $15 filter is not going to break the bank. |
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Post by shalomdawg on Nov 9, 2013 1:20:05 GMT -5
howdy, I just had my second service on the bv350 at 7700 miles and the mechanic just removed the air filter and looked at it and put it back. so I don't know what the experience is but the manual calls for washing(cleaning) it. the mech was in a hurry so he didn't do more than I required. not good.
lotsa miles and smiles to ya
ken
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Post by rockynv on Nov 9, 2013 5:54:54 GMT -5
howdy, I just had my second service on the bv350 at 7700 miles and the mechanic just removed the air filter and looked at it and put it back. so I don't know what the experience is but the manual calls for washing(cleaning) it. the mech was in a hurry so he didn't do more than I required. not good. lotsa miles and smiles to ya ken The new BV 350 has a totally new engine design and has a different filter with a frame and shield, it is not a plain foam filter like the old series. For the other Piaggio bikes with the plain foam filter... I just purchased a current Piaggio Service Station manual 2 weeks ago and although it contains instructions on how to clean the engine air filter it also contains an addendum on the air filter which states "NEVER REUSE A FILTER.· Replace the air filter with a new one of the same type.". AF1 Racing carries the foam UNI OEM style replacement filter which notes the following: "Uni Air Filter For Vespa: '07-'12 GTS 250, GTS 300, GTS Super, '07-'13 GTV 250, GTV 300, and '05-'09 GranTurismo 200. Also for '07-'11 Piaggio MP3 250 This Made in the U.S.A. air filter is washable and reusable and will stand up better to heavy use or ethanol diluted fuels better than the stock Vepsa/Piaggio filter. AF1 Racing recommended alternative to OEM # 831997" www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=56546Some mechanics unfortunately don't keep up. Others do and if the filter is still clean just inspect for ethanol damage putting it back if they find none. Inspect the engine side of the filter regularly and if it shows any signs of mottling replace it immediatly. The fumes from ethanol can eat away at the back of a foam filter and make it appear like it was exposed to high heat and seem partially melted. If you let it go it can eventually embrittle and fail getting partually injested by the engine. This is the voice of experience speaking here as I have seen this on others bikes who reused the non-ethanol resistant OEM filters instead of replacing them. The new OEM air filters are supposed to be more ethanol resistant however there are a whole lot of the old ones still out in the supply chain and in bikes out in the showrooms. I believe I have mentioned how much I really dislike ethanol and this is just another one of the things that have nurtured that dislike. |
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Post by SylvreKat on Nov 9, 2013 7:39:12 GMT -5
And thank you new Quik Trip store for having E0 gas! Costs more, but I'm betting it's worth that in increased mileage and hopefully less crapanol damage to the engine. urban, to clarify something--nobody said that to me. I just felt a bit odd 'cause at the time the old SD forum was VERY much hands-on mechanic advice. Plus it seemed nobody else had a non-Chinese scoot. One of those "Look around the party and everybody's all dressed up and I came in jeans" feelings. As for cleanliness, maybe whoever was just being supportive. "I'll tell her I wouldn't work on a bike like hers in my home garage, that I'd take it to a shop too, so she doesn't feel bad." Who knows? He DID make me feel good about posting! And thus y'alles are stuck with me now--ha!  >'Kat |
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Post by SylvreKat on Nov 9, 2013 7:46:37 GMT -5
As for clean shops, Reno's Yami has like silicated floors. Looked like a kitchen back there.
Which isn't where I took Peej. And Custom looked rather like any mechanic shop, reasonably clean without noticeable dirt (or leaves, unlike my garage currently--how do you keep them out?!)
And ken, if he did "what (you) required" which sounds like you got an oil change service (?), then go back and politely explain that service should've included changing or at the very least cleaning the air filter. You shouldn't have to specify everything you want done. Oh Lord if that were true I'd be one pooched puppy! But do be nice about it, something like "You know, I saw you examine the air filter so I'm sure it's okay, but since then I've learned you should've cleaned it. Would you mind finishing that up for me, please?"
>'Kat
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