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Post by michaeljackson on Sept 4, 2013 20:05:26 GMT -5
This scooter is a V.I.P 150 2012. Please help. thanks
I had taken this scooter to a scooter repair shop and me and the mechanic who has fixed hundreads of scooters are stumped.. We changed out the voltage regulator and the stater. It looked like the Voltage regulator is getting the correct amount of voltages going in but is not pumping out any extra voltage to the battery that's needed to charge the battery. Also the voltage regulator does not seem to be working at all. The headlight blows and gets brighter as the engine revs until it burns out. nothign seems to be regulated.
We replaced the stater and we replaced the voltage regulator 3 times.
One thing I would like to note.. after this started happening, when I pull out the the key while it is running the engine is still running but the lights and everything turns off until I hit the kill switch. The scooter still runs without the key but won't start.
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Post by tvnacman on Sept 4, 2013 20:12:09 GMT -5
sounds like a ground problem for the ignition .
as far as the charging problem 4pin regulator 6 or 8 pole stator ?
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Post by michaeljackson on Sept 4, 2013 20:49:53 GMT -5
The regulator has 4 wires and the stator I am not sure.
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Post by tvnacman on Sept 4, 2013 21:07:17 GMT -5
seems to be a problem, I think I may have a solution . Can you wait a few days another guy has the same problem . I sent him a different regulator to see if we can get it stable .
I sent an email to my supplier , they claim the 4 pin regulators are universal . I have seen them with different wiring configurations . I sent them pictures to forward to china after my universal answer . I got the old passive aggressive answer (no reply)
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Post by rae4180 on Sept 4, 2013 21:48:44 GMT -5
you need a new wire harnes. but frist try a new key switch.
sometimes the wires will pull apart in places you cant see.
or ground off in places you cant see.
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Post by michaeljackson on Sept 4, 2013 22:12:08 GMT -5
I see. Wouldn't just wiring all new wires fix the issue if the case?. that connect from the stator to the regulator.
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Post by michaeljackson on Sept 4, 2013 22:13:31 GMT -5
tvnacman i am confused. They are so simple. If the old one worked why wouldnt a new identical one work?.
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Post by michaeljackson on Sept 4, 2013 22:14:19 GMT -5
Oh and The key thing is no big deal at all. The regulator is the real issue. I can live with the key switch.
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Post by michaeljackson on Sept 5, 2013 20:07:41 GMT -5
Anyone have any ideas???. (2 New stators and 3 new regulators) and the bike is still not charging. It Is acting as if the regulator is not even plugged in But they are?
It does not regulate the voltage to the light. It does not charge the battery /: ,.
Is it possible that the problem with the key problem is causing the issue?. The short I guess?.
Please help. Thanks
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Post by tvnacman on Sept 5, 2013 20:10:05 GMT -5
Have you isolated the short, id so to where?
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Post by michaeljackson on Sept 5, 2013 22:04:26 GMT -5
I don't know how to isolate a short. How do I do that? .
What I was trying to figure out was if this type of short could POSSIBLY cause this sort of problem with the regulator not charging the scooter or is that impossible?.
Also I was wondering How exactly does the regulator power the headlight and maybe there is a short there?. There is one wire that gives power to the regulators and one wire that goes back from the regulator to the battery but what do the other 2 wires do and where does the headlight fit in?.
Is there anyway I could just cut the wire going to the headlight and just leave 3 wires plugged into the regulator incase the short is happening where the headlight is?. Then just wire the headlight directly to the battery to where it only coems on when I turn on the key.
Sorry I am not to mechanic savy.
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Post by michaeljackson on Sept 5, 2013 22:20:59 GMT -5
I just thought, Is it possible I installed a 50cc stator and it was suppose to be a 150cc stator???
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Post by michaeljackson on Sept 6, 2013 1:30:06 GMT -5
I thought of somthing els. When the scooter mechanic removed my flywheel to replace the stator he used a tool that kinda like banged the flywheel from the back knocking it off... Could this have demagnetized the flywheel causing this problem?. Thanks.
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Post by tvnacman on Sept 6, 2013 8:37:38 GMT -5
You need to check ac output from the stator at the stator plug with the stator unplugged.
John
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Post by sailracer on Sept 6, 2013 15:52:38 GMT -5
How is it that a mechanic who has fixed HUNDREDS of scooters does not have a flywheel puller ? It is a basic inexpensive tool that anyone who even does their own work should have.
Anyway'to isolate the short. you need a multimeter. check all stator connections to ground, to each other. you should get no reading. thendisconnect the wire to the headlights, and check voltag. do the same with the others.Like John says, disconnect the stator, and check voltages while cranking the engine.Tell us the results.The red wire should have 40-80VAC. the yellow 12-14, and the white 15-20 all ac
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