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Post by beerkeg on Aug 1, 2013 11:01:11 GMT -5
It's been quite a while since I posted about this one. The latest is that after much dinking around I could not get the bike to go over 28 mph and it took a city block to get to that. Other riders claim to get 45 mph out of the box. I must have a lemon! I bought a performance exhause, a big bore kit, larger carb jets, performance air filter, a racing cdi and a racing sparkplug. I had a local motorcycyle shop with a good reputation do the upgrades. We had several delays due to wrong parts such as discovering it was a 12mm wrist pin and not a 10, then the big bore kit was exchanged and the one needed was back ordered. Finally got all the parts and they set out to create a speed demon. Discovered that the bike had nine connections at the interface for the cdi. All the cdis we could find had 5. They tried juming it, they tried a different harness. This went on for 6 weeks and no joy. So now the bike sits with a bbbk, a performance exhaust, performance air and plug and the stock cdi. Result is over 600 in parts and labor and now have a bike that shuts down after about 25 mph because the cid retards the timing. At least that's what the mechanics THINK is happening. I know the cdi could be a restricted one but we can't find a replacement. At this point the bike has about 50 miles on it and is worthless. The only thing I can think of is that possibly the automatic choke is not working right, or that the carb jet is not right, or that the cdi is really the culprit and my only option is to totally rewire and leave the alarm and remote start set up out of the wiring. Even then I doubt we'd get it to work with a different cdi. If anyone is considering a Pepe M50, DON"T! You might get a good one or you might get a lemon. I cry everytime I look at this thing. It's a beautiful bike with so much potential and there it sits. I am physically unable to do repairs or upgrades any more. Any ideas or suggestions would be welcomed, meanwhile.....Lemonade anyone?
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Post by scootnwinn on Aug 1, 2013 11:40:24 GMT -5
That sucks. What does it sound like when it gets to 25? Does the pitch of the exhaust change or it just won't rev past that? Can you rev it above the 25 mph rpm on the stand? If so it's not the cdi...
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Post by beerkeg on Aug 1, 2013 13:32:38 GMT -5
One of the mechanics said it revved great on the stand but died under load. Seemed odd to me at the time but I was not there when he tried it. At one point they thought it was done, I went to pick her up and found it would not go past 25. My first thought was the auto choke but have no foundation for that. They checked and said it was pulling 35 ohms across the choke when the bike was off, and were going to replace the choke. Don't think they stayed with that idea though. I was told that the cdi was retarding the timing at 42 mph and it would drop back to 25 and then rev to 42 again. I don't believe it will even rev to 45 anymore. I never got much past 20 when I tested her. They say there are 9 connections to the cdi due to the alarm and remote start. I'm confused as to why it will not go past 25 now when it originally got close to 30 as a 49cc. I have no idea why they would have changed anything electrically to install the performance parts. Perhaps these guys have all been wrong in their diagnosis of the problem? Beyond my level of expertise for sure. They were trying to by pass the alarm and remote start to use a different cdi but could not do so. I will try to get a better grip on what she sound like on the stand versus under load when I get her home. They said they were delivering it which to me hinted that she may not even be running. It was running fine when I took her in, just limited to just under 30 mph and no restrictions in the variator or exhaust that I could see. Just under 30 top speed is dangerous around here as cars will run you right off the road trying to pass on either side. I'm still a bit doubtful about the cdi story too but these are well known and well regarded mechanics so far as I know.
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Post by andrewrides1 on Aug 2, 2013 0:07:14 GMT -5
Did you make sure you put the piston in port side up. i've seen them put in upside down and have the same symptoms. And if your carb is stock or s,maller than 19mm i would upgrade. you did upjet too.
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Post by geo49 on Aug 3, 2013 23:16:31 GMT -5
What size jet and is that performance filter an open element filter? Also did you do anything to the CVT like change the roller weights? I don't think its your cdi.
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Post by pgs on Aug 5, 2013 9:10:59 GMT -5
i think it is time for a new shop 6 weeks and still hasn't got it running, they could have assembled a whole new one in that amount of time, if you think it is a problem with the cdi call the manufacturer they could probably help with that, mine has an alarm and it has nothing to do with the cdi, it is a keeway which is manufactured by the same company as benelli QJ, i think the mechanic at that shop doesn't know much about scooters,also has the variator been checked for any restrictions, there are many of us on here that do our own work and have had problems come up me included, but we are doing our own work, and some of us learning how too, you paid a shop for service he should have known right away which kit to buy, and he shouldn't THINK it is the cdi he should know, that is what he gets paid to do, it really doesn't sound like it is the cdi i would listen to some of the suggestions on here, he may have not installed the piston, right or your jetting may not be good, i would looking into finding a reputable SCOOTER shop to do the work if you cannot yourself, i know the scooter dealer near me would have had this scooter running by now , i think your mechanic might be the problem, i feel for you spending that kind of money and not getting results
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Post by geo49 on Aug 5, 2013 10:11:43 GMT -5
If you up grade your engine, you also need to up grade your CVT. Roller weights, clutch springs. cdi's cut RPM's not MPH.to protect the engine from over reving. Rider weight also adds load.
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Post by geo49 on Aug 5, 2013 10:14:41 GMT -5
And YES, If your not going to do your own wrenching you should find another shop. They don't seem to know scooters.
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Post by beerkeg on Aug 6, 2013 8:58:49 GMT -5
Thank you Gentlemen! I have come to the conclusion that a different shop is the only solution for me. Since I am physically unable to do this kind of work anymore. No matter how much I want to, my body just cannot. I agree that it is very likely not the cdi since nothing electrical was changed and it's now more anemic than it was as a 50cc with the same cdi. There is no restriction in the variator, that was the first thing checked. Other riders get 45 mph out of this same model right out of the box so I doubt the variator needs to be changed. I did consider a variator with a slightly larger outside diameter which would increase the rpm to the clutch. I also considered that perhaps there is a way to change the gearing to use the additional punch from the larger bore. I'm pretty sure they would not have the piston in wrong as it's stamped right on top which side is to exhaust and they have 5 mechanics with experience. I just have to feel rather than think that it's likely a fuel issue. I have a list of 20 questions for them when I pick the bike up which I hope to do today. I suspect that I will get vague or nonsense answers but I hope to ferret out what they have done to it so we can begin to undo it. We know that the cdi controls timing and can certainly restrict engine speed which is the starting point for gearing or variator set up. Changing the weights would only affect how quickly she engages and changing clutch springs would affect how long it took to shift to higher speed. I don't think either of those is the issue here. She is not getting out of the 20's mph range. The last time I rode it I had the feeling it was bogging down due to being too rich and I thought possibly it was the auto choke or fuel enrichment valve as they call it. If that was not warmed to temp it would be trying to run too rich and choking off. One time she quit running on me before anything was done and I thought it might be electrical and that possibly I had switched the kill switch to off instead of hitting the turn signal switch, (same action, different hand) The bike sat for a few minutes and restarted. All else failing I will take her up to the summer cottage as a leisure rider around the lake where speed is not a factor. How ever it turns out, I'll post here and let you guys know the outcome. Thank you for all the great input. I agree with the consensus of opinion that they just don't know scooters. As they say on tv....stay tuned for the next exciting adventure!
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Post by pgs on Aug 6, 2013 16:27:49 GMT -5
good luck with it i hope you find a place that can fix the issues for you
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