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Post by elw on Jul 29, 2013 11:09:39 GMT -5
Hello everyone, My Xingyue scooter has been giving me a lot of troubles recently and I am looking for some help. My scooter seems to only start if I charge the battery every time I ride it. I have tried swapping batteries with a new one. This leads me to think that here is an electrical drain or a magneto problem. Is this correct thinking? What are some suggested steps for going about trouble shooting and determining which is the problem? What are some recommended voltages for when the bike is running? In addition to my electrical starting problems I have a problem with my kick start too. It seems like it is slipping and too easy. It's not generating resistance to turn the motor over. Upon taking apart the gearbox housing it doesn't look like there are any problems and I have made sure that the timing of the gears are lined up by their hash marks. Even when attempting to kick start it, there seems to be no attempt of turning the motor over. What would be some suggestions to try and troubleshoot this further? I would love a fix to this as my electric system isn't even reliable at this point in time. And my final thing that I would like advice on is that I seemed to have lost my exhaust system due to a bracket breaking off of the frame. I was curious if an exhaust system such as this would fit my bike (I would think so), and if anyone has any recommendations on systems they like. www.ebay.com/itm/150cc-GY6-Performance-Exhaust-Stainless-Steel-/121115697038?pt=Other_Vehicle_Parts&hash=item1c330edf8e&vxp=mtr |
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Jul 29, 2013 11:53:27 GMT -5
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Post by elw on Jul 29, 2013 13:24:26 GMT -5
 Is a link to the exact model that I have. I'm not sure what model types there are for Xingyue 150s. A quick search said VOG 260. Thanks for the recommendation for the tail pipe, I'll have to look into if it will fit. My big problem here is that I believe that part in the image (the part where the spring goes behind) where one of the supports of the exhaust is attached, has broken off so I will need to find a buddy who can weld to attach it. Have you done any work on the kick starter? Does yours start even if it isn't something that works well? The main problem is that mine does not start at all from the Kick starter and I am unsure of why. Thanks for the recommended voltage troubleshooting steps. I'll be sure to check them out. |
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Jul 29, 2013 13:32:10 GMT -5
I have used the kick start in the past, but I don't even check it. I had it apart and put it together misaligned, then corrected it. (I think). I've used it once in an emergency - both brake switches had gone bad in short order.
I made the spacers and support for my new muffler. Didn't need to weld. Besides my swing arm is aluminum.
OTOH, I did have to weld the engine case on my Znen in order to make a repair and reinstall the new exhaust and the swing arm. You should be able to see those pics in my photobucket if you go up a level or two and see the Znen folder.
A VOG 260 is a bit larger than a 150.
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Post by elw on Aug 6, 2013 10:09:14 GMT -5
I have a question about your exhaust system that you installed on your Xingyue. Did you have to do any extensive modifications or did it bolt on just straight up? I don't really have the materials to do modifications myself so I'd have to take it to a shop if I had to do one with modifications.
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Aug 6, 2013 10:22:38 GMT -5
I did make a dent in the side of the can so it isn't up against the swing arm and axle. I did not drill any holes, or even make bends. One spacer - the bottom rear is made of multiple nuts and a long full thread bolt or threaded rod will work - slightly smaller than the existing hole if you cant find the long metric hardware. The top hanger is a U-bolt plate - they sell separately at Menards and other hardware stores. A couple larger nuts, a stack of washers for a spacer or a short pipe nipple to make the mount more solid. That one used the original bolt for that location.
It installed much easier than I expected. I got a handfull of bits and used very few. I cut three spacers like the upper mount, but used only the one.
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Post by elw on Aug 6, 2013 21:23:47 GMT -5
Excellent thanks for the info on the exhaust system. I'll look into getting one of those tomorrow. Back to my electric problem. I have run some small diagnostics now that I have a multimeter. Without anything on the battery is at 12.05v (it definitely wasn't charged all the way) and when I turned it in the battery terminals tested at 10.5v! This drain is definitely due to the lights being on with the moped but I don't have an adequate charging system. What values should I be looking at to determine if it is the stator or the regulator? I found this to help, but I am unsure if the values within it will work for a xingyue. www.familygokarts.com/manuals/ace/arrow150_engine_service_manual.pdfThis only gives values for the rectifier: 12v for the red to ground connection, green to ground is conductive (completed circuit?), .1~.8 Ohms yellow to GND, and .2~2 Ohms White to GND. Would any of this be right? |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 7, 2013 1:29:48 GMT -5
Elw,
I have your same Eagle... 5-years old now. Mine has that ridiculous alarm and remote-start setup, and... Like yours, it would drain the battery quickly when sitting. In my case, it was the alarm setup. It doesn't drain much, but the battery is only a 7-amp-hour battery. About right for a decent flashlight... LOL!
Most riders disable the alarm, but I'm not good with electric things, and the electrics are pretty fragile if you mess with them. So I simply spliced in a heavy-duty on-off toggle switch (100 amps rated) in the hot battery lead. That was years ago. When I park the scoot for the night, I just turn off the switch and my battery has stayed charged fine.
The kick-starters are pretty "wonky" but when my battery used to go dead, I did kick "Lil' Bubba" many, MANY times. The "feel" of the kickers is terrible, and it's difficult to feel when you have the piston up against compression, but it is possible... LOL! Kicking without having the piston coming up against compression just won't start it. I usually get the kicker ready by hand, so I can feel what it's doing before kicking it. Mine is correct inside the CVT cover, and even so, the return spring won't bring the lever back most times, and I have to pull it up after the engine starts. Also, on mine, one of the brake levers MUST be squeezed when kick-starting, same as with the electric start. One brake must be engaged so the ignition is not "safety-interrupted". Same with the side-stand. It MUST be retracted as there is an ignition-interrupt on it too.
Jeepsteve's exhaust mod is a GOOD one too! I finally replaced my stock system when the muffler disintegrated, and made a 1-inch header. It works well after the undersized stock header.
These Xingyues are not any worse than other Chinese scoots... LOL! Probably better than some. With the usual fixes and tweaks, mine is running better than ever after five years!
Ride safe,
Leo in Texas
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Post by freefour1968 on Aug 7, 2013 4:29:56 GMT -5
[replyingto=elw]elw[/replyingto]Battery should be putting out 13.5-14+ volts if it is only at 10 with just the ignition on I would say you have a dead or almost dead cell in the battery . But.....since you said you swapped it out with a new one something is pulling a huge load and the charging system can't replenish what is being drawn . Check that security system if you have one like Leo said , maybe disconnect it or take it out of the loop completely . To check the charging system with a volt meter simply connect the leads to the battery terminals and take a reading then turn the key on and start the scooter , then check the reading again it should be higher , although only slightly than the reading with the battery with ignition off. Maybe 0.5-0.75 volt more on these little guys .
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Aug 7, 2013 7:32:33 GMT -5
Just by my add-on volt meter, I was getting 14.7 at any moving speed with my original 8-pole. I never put a meter on it to see what it was doing when it was working.
Still having issues with my 11-pole upgrade, but I'll get that worked out.
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Post by elw on Aug 7, 2013 8:48:57 GMT -5
Thanks for all your guys input. I do have an alarm system and I tried to disable it before, but that caused problems in the electric system that I couldn't figure out. I tried a couple more tests today.
When not running the battery terminals: 12.17v
When key is turned to on and the moped is ready to start: 10.5v.
When running at 2k RPM: 10.5v
When running at 5k RPM: 10.7v
I also decided to check and see if there was any draw on the battery when the key was not in, so I disconnected the negative connection from the battery and ran my negative connection of my multimeter to that and the positive to the negative post of the battery and there was a .03 micro Amp draw. That can't possibly be enough to kill the battery.
This leads me to believe that it is something when the system is running is causing a huge draw or my charging system just isn't existant at all. I believe that its the charging system because the headlights will dim when the break lights are activated and I only currently have 1 headlight installed. So I feel like it shouldn't be drawing that much power, or would it? I'll check tonight to see if I can disable the alarm system completely and see if my volts stay up.
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Post by tvnacman on Aug 7, 2013 9:04:59 GMT -5
you need to check your grounds are clean and tight .
John
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Post by tvnacman on Aug 7, 2013 9:05:59 GMT -5
you need to check your grounds are clean and tight .
John
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Post by elw on Aug 7, 2013 20:00:13 GMT -5
I did a little bit more testing and here are my results.
I checked the regulator and it was turning out 12.7v when the bike was on, this is on the low side but it will still charge. There are other values from the regulator but they all seemed reasonable from what I've read. The big problem seemed to be that my headlamps are wired into my DC circuit and when I unplugged them my battery jumped from 10.5v when it was on to 12v. So I am gonna have to find a wiring diagram and reroute the headlamps into the ac circuit if that is even possible.
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Post by tvnacman on Aug 7, 2013 20:05:19 GMT -5
how many wires on the regulator ?
John
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