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Post by brandjur on Jul 27, 2013 13:03:57 GMT -5
Hey guys, Thought I would try to help prevent future stripping of bolts since there have been a few already who have done this in the past few months. When I was being taught to build aluminum engines, I was taught to use a beam type torque wrench. The reason? Aluminum is a softer metal and can strip a lot easier than cast iron. Also, the torque specs are lower. So for these GY6 based engines that take smaller torque specs, less than 25lb/ft, use a beam type. The reason for the beam? 1. The cheapo click torque wrenches rated at ~60lb/ft or less just don't work. I have seen numerous people strip bolts with these. 2. With the beam type, you can see the torque increase on the beam as you turn harder, so you have less of a chance of over-torquing the bolt You might say, well I have seen engine builders use click type. Yes, they do, but....those click type torque wrenches are checked often for accuracy and they are much much more expensive to ensure their accuracy. For the axles, I would recommend a good click type torque wrench as the axles can take variances without breaking. Lastly, if you do buy a click type of torque wrench for the axles or for the car lug nuts, you generally want to purchase one with max torque that is 2x the torque area you will be working with. So, if your car lug nuts take 80lb/ft, purchase a 150 lb/ft tq wrench. The click type torque wrench becomes less accurate in its lower and higher range. Hint: don't forget to always set your click type torque wrench to 0, or less if it can, after use so the band inside doesn't stretch, thus rendering the torque wrench less accurate. Disclaimer: I cannot account for the casting quality of manufacturers. You may do everything right, but it still strips. And for me, I don't use a torque wrench on my GY6 single cylinder engines because after building over a dozen car engines, and now the top end of 3 GY6 engines, there is a "feel" of how tight that just comes with experience and knowing your tools. Now if I was doing a V8 all aluminum engine where every cylinder should be consistent, then I would use a beam type torque wrench. I hope this helps, if not, then please ignore.
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Post by jerseyboy on Jul 27, 2013 13:11:52 GMT -5
All metal is different,,what might work on some motor cases might not work on another,,that's why I do most of my torque by feel,,as you tighten a nut or bolt you can feel when it bottoms out,,then just go a little more to snug it tight,,if its steel the bottom out point will be more sudden,,aluminum tends to feel smushy,,so you have to get a feel for it,,I've seen ALL torque wrenches strip out aluminum doesn't matter what kind you use,,best thing to have is a good sense of feel....then a little blue loctite for those certain cases helps also. So in a nut shell yes I agree,,its all about feel with the GY6 engine...
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Post by brandjur on Jul 27, 2013 13:18:16 GMT -5
Haha, I agree with you especially for these engines that are inconsistent. For the new "wrencher," they need to start somewhere. So, a good baseline is a good start with the proper torque wrench. Once they gain more experience, then they can go by feel.
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Post by skuttadawg on Jul 27, 2013 13:49:35 GMT -5
I prefer clickers . Harbor Freight has theirs often on sale for ten bucks with coupon and you can you the same coupon on all sizes too . I had a torque wrench with the bar and it got bent after being in my toolbox . I broke off the arm and use it as a breaker bar for tight nuts
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Post by brandjur on Jul 27, 2013 15:45:42 GMT -5
[replyingto=skuttadawg]skuttadawg[/replyingto]If you use it as a breaker bar, sounds like you got the higher torque one. I use a clickable one for the higher torque. Since torque wrenches are precision instruments, they should be stored separately from regular tools so it doesn't get banged around. But again, for those who are just beginning wrenching, a bar type is good to start with and it shows the progression of increasing torque. Some people just don't know their own strength, lol.
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Post by skuttadawg on Jul 27, 2013 22:16:20 GMT -5
Yes the bar type did get damaged from so many tools in my box . I keep my clicker torque wrench in its own case
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Post by jerseyboy on Jul 27, 2013 22:20:03 GMT -5
[replyingto=skuttadawg]skuttadawg[/replyingto]I got a sweet craftsman clicker 3/8 drive its in its own case,,I love that wrench but it starts out at 10ft pounds,,works good on axle nuts,variator,and clutch bell.Also have a 1/4 HF inch pound clicker,,its OK,,but not real accurate....I cant see how alot of these GY6 guys use air impact to tighten there stuff up,,to me thats plain old ignorant.
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