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Post by cytoruck on May 17, 2013 1:05:18 GMT -5
so when i first start the bike the headlights are dim, but get brighter with rpms, however after about 5 minutes of riding the lights no longer come on at all, the kicker is that when i pull either brake lever the headlights turn on full power while the brake lever is engaged, as soon as its disengaged the lights go out again with no change in output with rpms... what could this be, really boggling my mind
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Post by skuttadawg on May 17, 2013 1:31:30 GMT -5
Voltage regulator may be bad . AC lights brighten and dim with RPMs and most tail lights are 5 watts as brake lights are 25 watts . I replaced the rear 1157 bulb with an 1157 LED which uses less power and requires no mods simply insert like a bulb and my twin headlights were a hair brighter .
My other scooter is an Echarm with DC lights that stay the same regardless of RPMs and pretty bright to only be 35 watts . My Magnum has twin 35 watt bulbs and I can see great with them . My old TaoTao was barely above a candle and was very limited to to what I could see at night .
Make sure the battery is charged like with a trickle charger so that the stator can deliver as much power to the headlight(s) rather charge a weak battery , Make sure headlight lens is clean and streak free .
Some have an 8 pole stator , some 11 and my Echarm has 12 poles . More poles more output , Many have upgraded to and 11 pole stator . Check the bulb wattage as you may be able to go up ten watts but nor more . I read where some tried 55watt bulbs and melted the bulb housing as they are hotter than less wattage bulbs .
Now there is also a HID option but is costly and will take an hour or more to install . For me the blueish white hue glares rather than helps visibility with me bad eyes even more so in the rain at night
I have seen auxiliary cornering lights or LEDs which helped put out more lumens . i had a Harley behind me one night who had auxiliary that were so bright I could have driven with my lights off and could see by using his
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Post by chihuahuas on May 17, 2013 8:54:29 GMT -5
look at the headlight lamp (s) see if both high and low are on at the same time. This will cause to big a load on the ac coil and it will limit the power to 65 watts. If both filiments are on the load will be in excess of 65 watts and the result is a low voltage condition because the coil acts like an inductor. If you ask the coil for too much power it simple can't produce it. Nothing burns up, it regulates itself. It is ingenious, by design because it wont start a fire. It is like the best of both worlds. So you are looking for a power consumption issue. Something is drawing too much power. Find it. First clue is take out one lamp if you have duals. then try take out the other one. see if the bulb is shorted or the contacts are touching making the high and low come on together. You are not the first one to see this. Someone else had the same issue a while back. It is wierd. <strong> Don't ever run bike with the regulator unplugged.</strong>
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Post by cytoruck on May 17, 2013 12:34:58 GMT -5
dont the headlights run directly off of one of the stator wires? why would the voltage regulator make a difference? also, while all the information provided is great im not seeing how the tail lights needing to be changed would effect the headlights? headlight lenses are clean i can physically see the light being created on or in the filament of the bulb and its incredible dim at idle then it gets super bright while riding and then eventually just fades away, im not sure if you guys missed it or maybe i missed the part addressing it but how is it that applying the brakes makes the headlights full bright, almost like the brake lever switches the headlights to dc, like... it instantly goes bright, I am going to try unplugging one headlight and seeing how the operation is and then unplugging the other one, i wouldnt think the voltage regulator would be bad though either simply because the battery is 100 percent charged, it has been running and starting perfectly for weeks
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Post by brandjur on May 17, 2013 13:14:34 GMT -5
There could also be a bad ground or crossing of wires. Think about how the tail light is dim when turned on and could be feeding power to the headlight. Then when your brake light is applied, so does the extra power being sent to the head light. I would inspect the wires and connections as well. It could be any combination where the extra power is being sent to the low beam or when the brake is applied, the wires are crossed/grounded to activate the high beam.
This could also explain why the head light goes out as the wires heat up, it could expand and separate a connection. A wire could also heat up and move where it is being grounded, thus opening the connection to the head light. On mine, the wiring did not have all the correct terminals, plugs, and insulation. I had to insulate and correct terminals. I also had to zip tie extra wiring not being used away from touching other wires or the frame.
Just a thought.
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Post by gatekeeper on May 17, 2013 13:20:10 GMT -5
From what I think I know, the R/R does effect the voltage sent to the lights, off of the yellow wire. The white wire effects the battery charge. Two different functions. So the R/R could be bad.
As for the headlights coming on brightly when the brake levers are pulled, it sounds like your headlights could have a bad ground issue. This is what I would look into before replacing anything. Check the bulb sockets for corrosion, loose connections etc.
EDIT: He beat me to it. Also, bad connections create resistance which causes heat. Heat increases the resistance.
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Post by cytoruck on May 17, 2013 13:29:13 GMT -5
Thanks guys, ill try to explore all of this today, you've all been great help
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Post by chihuahuas on May 17, 2013 14:02:02 GMT -5
What Bike is it.? Where's the wiring diagram? The lighting coil feeds power to the yellow wire to the lights and to a shunt regulator. The coil can produce excessive voltage if not regulated. The regulator shorts out the excessive voltage to ground. A zener diode does the regulating by its reverse bias voltage setting. 12.6 volts. once the zener conducts it turns on a triac (SCR silicon controlled rectifier) that grounds the circuit for that pulse and regulating the output voltage.. This happens on every pulse of power.
If you run with the regulator disconnected you blow out all the lights/tack/whatever is in the circuit. So that's a nono. You can unplug the stator wires and run test on the coil that way.
In the case where the light go bright the power for this effect is coming from the rear lights and the battery. It's a backfeed.
the bike is split in 2 electrical systems. AC for lighting and DC for battery. When you hit the brakes you are connecting both AC and DC systems togather briefly. That's whats up.
The original issue is too much draw / or a bad ground/or a melted connector somewhere/ a defected (open) diode. Welcome to the club.. Have a Drink.
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Post by mattie1974 on Jun 15, 2015 20:17:01 GMT -5
I'm having the same issue. What ended up being the problem?
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