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Post by lapper104 on May 17, 2013 7:24:16 GMT -5
Yes, it does idle okay..but it seems after it idles and warms up that the engine stalls when I give it throttle. Still seems like it's not getting enough fuel or too much air. I can start it and it will stay idling for long time until I give it the throttle. It has to be something simple. Do you think it has anything to do with the ACV or the en richer valve? Is there a way to check them to see if they are operating correctly?
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Post by alleyoop on May 17, 2013 12:25:19 GMT -5
No, you are going to have to adjust the FUEL RATIO MIXTURE no getting around it bud.
It is bogging when the throttle is open to much air, it is running lean. Fuel Ratio Screw is plugged and they set them LEAN to pass emissions here. As soon as the throttle is opened a lot more air comes in and not enough fuel. Alleyoop
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Post by RapidJim on May 17, 2013 13:55:00 GMT -5
One other possibility, besides air/fuel ratio adjustment, you could have a paritally blocked idle jet. This jet is also used for transition to mid range. If adjusting the air/fuel screw doesn't help, then it take the carb off, remove the bowl, remove the idle jet and manually clean it. One word of caution, DO NOT drill this jet out. There is cross-hairs in it and if you drill it out you just ruin the jet. A "G" guitar string works well. Very small!
Jim/Owner Rapid Repair
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Post by lapper104 on May 19, 2013 10:32:27 GMT -5
Thanks Jim, I really didn't want to remove the carb but it looks like I am running out of options. When the bike died, it was running for a while and just stopped. I only have 261 miles on the bike and I am not real happy with it. It does start and idles fine but after it heats up a little bit it just dies when I give it throttle. I waited 7 months for the bike and now that I have it I cannot ride it. Very frustrating. I will never buy another Chinese bike again and will probably unload it (if) after I get it running. I will pull the carb and see what happens. I will let you know. Thanks again for your suggestions. Lapper104
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Post by RapidJim on May 19, 2013 11:18:34 GMT -5
Thanks Jim, I really didn't want to remove the carb but it looks like I am running out of options. When the bike died, it was running for a while and just stopped. I only have 261 miles on the bike and I am not real happy with it. It does start and idles fine but after it heats up a little bit it just dies when I give it throttle. I waited 7 months for the bike and now that I have it I cannot ride it. Very frustrating. I will never buy another Chinese bike again and will probably unload it (if) after I get it running. I will pull the carb and see what happens. I will let you know. Thanks again for your suggestions. Lapper104 Is it still under warranty? If so, have you contacted the folks you purchased it from? Have you been running ethanol fuel?
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Post by lapper104 on Jun 2, 2013 20:03:27 GMT -5
Yes, I have contacted them about this and the exhaust. The exhaust pipe weld was cracked where they joined the 2 pipes together and they told me they think that is the cause of my problem. Yes, it is still under warranty but they don't seem to know sh**! I took off the carb and noticed the diaphragm needle not seated into hole in the lower portion of the carb. Removed screws holding in diaphragm and there was a plastic piece with a small spring that was wedged in the middle of the larger spring and I think this piece is supposed to hold down the needle into the lower section of carb, and the larger spring holds down the small plastic piece with the smaller spring. Looking for a diagram for this carb to verify positioning of these components. It looks like the 4TS in the linc supplied by Alleyoop with the gold cover on top of diaphragm. Where can I get a break down diagram to confirm components position?
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Post by lapper104 on Jun 2, 2013 20:21:47 GMT -5
Hey Alleyoop...do you have a breakdown diagram of the 4ts carb that shows diaphragm components and positioning? I think I might have found the problem. Would the pin being out of position cause the trike not to run if it is not seated in lower section of carb? Lapper104
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 2, 2013 21:42:00 GMT -5
Take a picture of the parts does it resemble something like this? Alleyoop Is the needle going down into the Needle GUide? and the Cylinder Slider sits at the bottom like in the picture?
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Post by lapper104 on Jun 3, 2013 17:30:26 GMT -5
NO, the needle was not in the guide, that's what caught my attention because it was on an angle. How do you attach photos here? That diagram does not look like the carb I have. In your 4TS carb tuning link shows my carb.
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 3, 2013 19:23:17 GMT -5
Yes i Know the carb you have it is a 30mm or 32mm I am still trying to find a diagram for that one. The diagram i put up is of a 30mm carb but not like yours. Use push picture to put up pictures here it is easy and free: picturepush.com/host.php?image=100759501. Click on the BLUE UPLOAD another image 2. Click on BROWSE 3. That will display your computer directories 4. click on where your picture is at 5. Click on your picture and click on OPEN and it will load it 6. Then scroll down to the box where it says640*480 7. Click on the 2nd entry in those links -- it will turn blue 8. Right click and click copy 9. Come here and right click and paste it in your post. Alleyoop
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 3, 2013 19:58:53 GMT -5
Ok found it, Here is your little spring and the big spring goes over all that: Alleyoop
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Post by lapper104 on Jun 3, 2013 20:35:51 GMT -5
Yes, that's it! I kinda figured it out..that small plastic part w/small spring was actually inside the big spring. Somehow it worked its way far enough up the big spring that there was no tension on the needle and the needle came out of the seat in the bottom of the carb. I also pulled out the fuel/air ratio screw and ran a wire through the hole. It is back together and running!!!!!! I took about a mile ride and seems okay. Might need to readjust fuel/air mixture screw a little bit. Just happy it stays running and I can ride again. Thanks for your help! Keeping my fingers crossed.
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 3, 2013 21:04:27 GMT -5
Check the big spring that goes over that plastic needle hold down piece. One end of the spring may be smaller in diameter than the other and the smaller would probably go over the plastic piece so the plastic hold down will not move up inside the big spring. Alleyoop
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