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Post by carasdad on Apr 26, 2013 15:53:31 GMT -5
Octane question.... I got a nice 2T Race 72BBK kit from Carlos(autotech355) Head is flat..I mean FLAT! Only dish in it is where the spark plug hole is. About a .5mm or less squish band....so it knocks really bad. Here in Michigan we have no dedicated high octane pumps...so when I get gas 1/2 tank is the 87 from the car before me..which is still in the gas pump system...the rest is octane. I added a head gasket..still knocks. Put on a total of 3 head gaskets...no more knock...but no more power either. 32mph tops...and it used to hit 50-55 easy.It just knocked and ran hot then. Soo bottom line I am sick of the knock that is surely going to eat this expensive BBK. Extra head gaskets are not the answer.Soo..has anybody had any luck with the Octane additives. Yes I am wise enough to know they do not give you extra power as many think higher Octane does. I merely need the knock to go away. yeah I know...should have bought a Sport or Street kit..but for a few bux more I figured..? Had no clue I would run into this.Odd part is at first it seemed ok...but now you can see by a plug chop...there is detonation. I made sure when I removed the head to clear nay carbon buildup. Which was little to none!Top of the piston was a white/grey color Bottom line..will an Octane booster help? Do they really work even? Which I am skeptical of as many fuel additives are falsely advertised garbage. umm...help??? ;D
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Post by JR on Apr 26, 2013 16:15:37 GMT -5
Can you buy fuel at a local airport? Jet fuel should go well, just kidding but they probably have good gas for the prop planes. Perhaps even a marina?
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Post by ramblinman on Apr 26, 2013 16:22:05 GMT -5
can you find a station that is ethanol-free? pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=MIthat may solve your problem. if not i heard Star brite Star Tron fuel treatment works well but have never used it.
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Post by mclovin on Apr 26, 2013 16:35:56 GMT -5
I always use Star Tron 2 & 4-cycle with gringo 91-octane premium and think it's great, so you might not want to use it.
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Post by fugaziiv on Apr 26, 2013 16:41:21 GMT -5
As you already know now, that setup is probably best suited to one of the VP racing fuels: www.vpracingfuels.com/motorcycle-drag-racing.htmlI'd check with a dealer around your closest motorcross track or drag strip to see if they sell VP fuels by the gallon. This is what we do for our drag scooters. We'll usually buy a 5 gallon drum and burn that over a weekend. Most octane boosters really don't do all that much in my estimation, although they do help to bring gas that is a little bit old up a bit so that it will burn. Anyway, snag a gallon and see if you still knock, and then you've at least eliminated a variable in the tuning process. Unfortunately those 2T race kits can be terrible for the street. That's how one of our guys here has his 2T set up, and it's either burning 108 octane, or broken. When his runs though, it RUNS! Good Luck! Matt
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Post by carasdad on Apr 26, 2013 16:56:34 GMT -5
[replyingto=fugaziiv]fugaziiv[/replyingto]We have a race track 3 miles away...they sell TORCO gas for the Modified class boys that race.About 8 bux a gallon though and I think it is 108? Star Tron?...never heard of it..that the only one that actually works?..
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Post by fugaziiv on Apr 26, 2013 16:58:21 GMT -5
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Post by carasdad on Apr 26, 2013 17:03:13 GMT -5
Ok Matt..so this one... www.partsforscooters.com/172-90_Star_Tron_Fuel_Treatment That one should fix the Octane problem..or do ya think it is an Ethanol problem? The link ya gave me says ..solves Ethanol based problems.Not sure I can see how Ethanol would cause detonation Does it?...
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Post by justbuggin2 on Apr 26, 2013 18:20:21 GMT -5
can you retard your timing a little i know you have a 2t if you can retard the timing just alittle it will help with the knocking
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Post by carasdad on Apr 26, 2013 18:33:53 GMT -5
can you retard your timing a little i know you have a 2t if you can retard the timing just alittle it will help with the knocking Could...but would have to remove stator..drill holes and rotate stator back. on 4T I have elongated the pickup coil mounting hole..and moved it back. A WHOLE easier than a 2T.
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Post by ramblinman on Apr 26, 2013 18:46:13 GMT -5
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Post by scootnwinn on Apr 26, 2013 21:34:42 GMT -5
Why not take a can with you to the station put a gallon or so of the higher octane in the car and then fill up the can. See if that works...
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Post by carasdad on Apr 26, 2013 21:55:51 GMT -5
Why not take a can with you to the station put a gallon or so of the higher octane in the car and then fill up the can. See if that works... Hey now... gee...duh...I never thought about that. Now that will work... +5
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Post by scootnwinn on Apr 26, 2013 22:00:45 GMT -5
You just needed to see it from a different perspective
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Post by dude on Apr 26, 2013 22:19:36 GMT -5
E- but there goes your mpg.
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