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Post by scootcouper on Apr 24, 2018 9:51:32 GMT -5
Second issue on my 150cc scoot coupe -- the brake levers are very hard to pull. They are not soft or spongy, they just take a lot of force to pull the levers.
Here's what I've done so far:
1) Replaced brake pads and lubed slide pins
2) Bled brakes a bit and put some new fluid in the reservoirs
3) Verified that fluid level isn't too high or too low
4) Verified that lever is not the issue, i.e. lever nut is not too tight.
The scootcoupe has a bit of an odd braking system where the left lever actuates the front and rear brakes, and the right lever does the front brakes only. Both levers are very hard to pull.
I have a second scootcoupe and the levers take about 30% of the effort to pull.
Any help would be appreciated -- I did not do a complete bleed of the system as I'm not sure how best to do that since the left lever actuates both the front and rear brakes.
Thank you!
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Post by chewbaca on Apr 24, 2018 12:19:01 GMT -5
it may be a pinched or clogged brake line or the lever has to much displacement if the bleeder valves are loose all resistance should vanish if not its a clog test one line at a time so you know better which line
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Post by scootcouper on Apr 24, 2018 12:52:06 GMT -5
Thanks chewbaca -- there are two levers and three brake calipers, one lever actuates two at a time and the other lever actuates three at a time. If I understand what you're recommending, hook up a bleeder hose and a jar to one of the bleeder valves, open the bleeder valve and squeeze the lever, see if there is resistance. If not, close that bleeder valve and move on to the next one -- correct?
When testing the front brake lever should I have both bleeder valves open at the same time for both front brakes?
I assume I should keep the reservoir covers on during the test?
Thank you!
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Post by chewbaca on Apr 24, 2018 15:52:39 GMT -5
sounds like a good plan good luck one at a time for the front
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Post by scootcouper on Apr 30, 2018 12:17:24 GMT -5
This seems to have been caused by gunked up brake caliper pistons. I took the calipers off, sprayed them with brake cleaner and re-lubricated the slide pins and the brakes are now much easier to pull. They are dual piston calipers and when I was pushing one piston down to push the other one up, it almost popped completely out and some brake fluid leaked, so think I have some air in the system now. I'll bleed it and hopefully will be in good shape.
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Post by scootcouper on May 9, 2018 21:19:37 GMT -5
Hmm, so problem not fixed. After the brake cleaner cleaning the right front caliper started freezing and not releasing when the brakes were applied.
I ordered three new calipers on Amazon and put them on tonight. The brake fluid that came out was dark brown and there was quite a bit of gunk in the right master cylinder. After replacing the calipers I couldn’t get the brakes to bleed at all so I back bled the right front with a syringe and that seemed to work.
I then bled the left front and rear, but the right lever is still spongy and the left lever has no resistance at all. I tried back bleeding the left and rear but they wouldn’t take any fluid.
I’m guessing since there is a proportion valve involved there must be a trick to this I’m missing.
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Post by pistonguy on May 10, 2018 7:40:35 GMT -5
That nasty color is from moisture contamination. I think most motorcycle mfg's recommend a brake fluid flush every two years. Also the OE break lines are really bad and will deteriorate and goop and get air in the system. Mine had four seasons on her when the front brake got real spongy, I pret much knew what it was, the break hose had deteriorated to a soft goo and so much air in the system my level went to the bar. At the moment Im converting to rear disc brake and a brand new Caliper I Didn't get from Parts for Scooters had the Bleeder hole plugged with a piece of black goo. still had a issue, Popped both pistons out of the caliper and both pistons had corrosion around so I had to spiff those up and the rest of the caliper had some black debris in it. Heres is the pic of my OE rubber front line, The Scooter has never seen a wet road and look how nasty the whole thing was coming apart. I had a Stainless braided line made while I waited locally for under $20.
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Post by pistonguy on May 10, 2018 7:47:01 GMT -5
Your OE lines may be deteriorating from the inside also causing some of the black goo in the system Stainless braided lines are the only way to fly
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Post by scootcouper on May 10, 2018 9:54:37 GMT -5
Thanks guys, my question is really about how to get bleeding going once the system has been run more or less empty. Here's an image of the brake system -- as you can see, the two levers go to a "proportion valve" that then distributes the fluid to the three brakes. So the left lever actuates all three calipers and the right lever actuates only the front two calipers. With a setup like that, how am I supposed to bleed it? Do I need to bleed from the proportion valve down, and then up to the reservoirs somehow? Totally stumped on this one.
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Post by chewbaca on May 10, 2018 19:28:44 GMT -5
I don't find it very difficult at all to start the bleeding process seems to happen every other time I start working on a scoot😒
yes doing one line at a time should work
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