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Post by w650 on Feb 10, 2018 6:18:29 GMT -5
Recently I got on a certain Italian scooter owner about the quality of Piaggio products. My contention was that in the long run they weren't much better than a China scoot. Over at Modern Vespa the owner of a Piaggio 500 bragged about reaching 100,000 miles. While it's praiseworthy that he did it, I'm not so certain that his mechanical ills were so great. modernvespa.com/forum/topic158280Here is a list of all the maintenance and parts it took to get to 100,000 miles. 18 - Oil and filter changes 6 - Belt and rollers 10 - Back tires 5 - Front tires 5 - Left front brake pads 2 - Right front brake pads Front rotors both 3 - Rear brake pads 2 - Rear rotors 6 - Spark plugs Replaced exhaust valves due to me using 87 octane gas for the first 38,000 miles 1 - Top and bottom steering bearings 1 - fuel injector (electrical connection broke) 1 - fuel filter 1 - fuel pump (replaced the recalled hose between filter and pump, twice) 1 - Variator, both sides 1 - Battery 1 - Voltage regulator 1 - Stator 1 - Low beam headlight 3 - Bulbs in the dash 1 - Side mirror (due to crash)
And just this year I had to replace the batteries in the fob that opens the seat.I won't quibble with the wear items but the second list is not so hot. A broken fule injector? A fuel pump and a couple of repairs to it? Stator and voltage regulator? Now I'm glad he likes his scoot and is getting his money's worth but in the 21st Century I think the repairs list is a little much. I'm betting if he had a Silver Wing or Reflex his list would have been much shorter.
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Post by wheelbender6 on Feb 14, 2018 19:32:04 GMT -5
The fact that he only changed a few electrical parts in 100,000 miles is excellent. The average mainland China scoot will require replacement of some electrical component every 5,000 miles or so. Some China scoots are better than others.
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Post by w650 on Feb 14, 2018 21:59:57 GMT -5
I don't know. In 125,000 miles my '79 Kawasaki didn't use up electrical components. I shouldn't say it out loud but my 2008 Bashan is electrically fault free in nine and a half years and 9,700 miles. Plus, as with anything, he isn't mentioning how much bolt tightening and other maintenance he did. I guess my point is for what that scoot cost he should be doing better. It's supposed to be a European quality machine. Ask yourself if a BMW motorcycle would use that much up. I know my Honda Rebel wouldn't.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Feb 25, 2018 8:21:45 GMT -5
I don't know. In 125,000 miles my '79 Kawasaki didn't use up electrical components. I shouldn't say it out loud but my 2008 Bashan is electrically fault free in nine and a half years and 9,700 miles. Plus, as with anything, he isn't mentioning how much bolt tightening and other maintenance he did. I guess my point is for what that scoot cost he should be doing better. It's supposed to be a European quality machine. Ask yourself if a BMW motorcycle would use that much up. I know my Honda Rebel wouldn't. Your Rebel probably has about nine wires. No EFI, no injectors, no security system, no ABS, etc.
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Post by w650 on Mar 2, 2018 18:57:59 GMT -5
I had to ponder this for a while so I could properly state my feelings. In comparison to a Japanese motorcycle I don't feel his results were a success. Rotors, charging units and burned valves because he used regular gas? If the heat of regular gas burned his valves that's pretty lame. Many Japanese bikes run 10.5:1 compression on regular.
Ponder this. My wife's Honda Civic is running all original electrical parts at 100,000 miles. A scooter is supposed to be a car substitute. I'm betting he would have had much better return with a Honda Reflex.
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