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Post by oldchopperguy on Dec 17, 2017 19:37:58 GMT -5
Hey boyz n' gurlz... Just a quick reminder to be sure to keep your tire-pressure up.This season, I've had a lot of health issues and rode very little at all. Last week, I was able to run some errands on "Minnie Mouse" and simply did the "tire-kick" to see if the rubber was aired-up. I also regularly watch the appearance of the tires with the scoot on the side-stand. If either tire is very soft, it shows slightly when weight is on the wheels by the tires exhibiting a slight "soft" look. So, yesterday I took time to go over the whole scoot just to be sure all was in order, as I had to get a state inspection and plates renewed. Both tires were down to 22 pounds... Not soft enough to show, but too low for proper riding. Past experience proved my particular scoot runs best with 34 pounds of air in both tires. So... I aired them up. The difference in performance was VERY noticeable. Much greater than expected... Acceleration was downright frisky, and she'd spool up to 70+ in no time at all. I mean like RIGHT NOW!!! AMAZING! I'd actually forgotten how much difference tire pressure makes. No exaggeration, the old scoot felt like she had 3 or 4 more hp! How fast we forget things we should take for granted... At least at my age... We all know proper tire pressure makes a difference in safety and performance, but going from the marginal 22 pounds to 34 pounds made so much difference in acceleration and reaching freeway speed that I'm still amazed! My rear tire is a real PIA to check and inflate, and, my tires don't lose much air but left alone a whole season does bring them down to below 25 pounds. So you can be sure I'll be much more attentive to proper inflation... That recent "fill up" made the old Mouse feel like she had a turbocharger slapped on... LOL! Ride safe one and all!Leo in Texas
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Post by wheelbender6 on Dec 17, 2017 20:33:57 GMT -5
Good reminder. You want those tire pressures right when you make the quick swerve to avoid an accident.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Dec 18, 2017 1:31:40 GMT -5
Good reminder. You want those tire pressures right when you make the quick swerve to avoid an accident. Absolutely! And sometimes, you need to swerve even at "zero" speed... Yesterday I ran errands on the scoot. Just two blocks from home, at the first traffic light I encountered I was stopped. I always watch my mirrors, and sure enough, here comes a car full of teens all texting.I goosed it and went to the curb on my right, and the car drove right through my former "space" and hit the car that was in front of me. Had I been in my much-loved Accord, it would have been smashed and pushed into the car in front. Had I not been watching my mirrors, me and the scoot would have been squashed between the offending car and the one in front of me. The occupants in the offending car all stumbled out, laughing and still texting! A police car was on-hand and the officer took over. Not ONE of the brain-dead teenies had a drivers license (or ANY form of I.D. for that matter).
None of them could "remember" just WHERE they got the car... "belongs to a cousin's friend"... No surprise... This kind of stuff is a responsible driver's worst nightmare no matter what they're driving.Lesson learned: ALWAYS, always watch your backside... And, I suppose, use the scooter whenever possible to preserve the family car... LOL! Leo (watchin' my "six" more than ever) in Texas
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Post by onewheeldrive on Dec 18, 2017 2:23:10 GMT -5
It’s easy to space off checking tire pressure, that’s for sure. My tires could have 10psi in both and you can’t even tell by looking.
I actually rode 10 miles home from work on 10psi last summer and thought my engine or tranny was taking a dump since I was doing about 15mph less than normal.
Obviously it handled crappier, but I wasn’t putting 2 and 2 together. I was driving it home anyway (maybe, lol). Honestly it couldn’t have been too much better the days leading up to it!
It’s definitely best to check with a gauge or at the very least by hand every once in awhile. Honestly, my tires don’t stay in the 30s for long. I could fill it to 34 and a week or two later I bet it’s in the high 20s, maybe lower.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Dec 18, 2017 21:21:47 GMT -5
It’s easy to space off checking tire pressure, that’s for sure. My tires could have 10psi in both and you can’t even tell by looking. I actually rode 10 miles home from work on 10psi last summer and thought my engine or tranny was taking a dump since I was doing about 15mph less than normal. Obviously it handled crappier, but I wasn’t putting 2 and 2 together. I was driving it home anyway (maybe, lol). Honestly it couldn’t have been too much better the days leading up to it! It’s definitely best to check with a gauge or at the very least by hand every once in awhile. Honestly, my tires don’t stay in the 30s for long. I could fill it to 34 and a week or two later I bet it’s in the high 20s, maybe lower. Onewheeldrive, Great reminder! You perfectly described the phenomenon of "the low tire that doesn't show..."Since I had not ridden my scoot nearly all season, I didn't notice the decrease in performance UNTIL I fully inflated the tires. WOW! What a difference. With only 20hp, slightly soft tires REALLY rob performance. I recall with my old Chinese 150, with only 10hp, it was even MORE noticeable. I do tend to be lax in checking tires since my rear tire is MISERABLE to check or inflate... The valve-stem is on the RIGHT side where it interferes with the disk-brake and caliper always in the way. If Kymco would have put the valve-stem on the LEFT side it would be easy to use... Cheesh!I'm fortunate that my current tires will stay above 30psi for most of a season if they're filled to 34psi. When I bought the Kymco 250 it had new Kenda J-rated tires (as found on many 150's). While those were fine on my first Chinese 150, at 220 pounds and 60-mph speed, they were truly AWFUL on the old Grandvista, at 360 pounds and 80-mph top-end. They were "squirrely" when slowing from 60 down to 20-mph and in general just handled very poorly. Actually made the scoot feel like it had a cracked frame!The J-rated tires are only rated for 62-mph if I recall, and that is not OK for cruising at 70. I had my dealer change them out for P-rated tires (92-mph rating) and the difference was MONUMENTAL. The old "Mouse" suddenly felt like a brand-new premium scoot. Yes, there was THAT much difference... So much difference that if I had a 150 again, I'd opt for the premium P-rated tires even though the scoot could not reach more than 60 or so... The overall handling is THAT much better, and the cost is only a little more per tire... And, they hold air much longer... LOL!In my case, I actually run a mix of two different tire types. I don't recommend that, but I want whitewalls, and SHINKO is the only maker offering a P-rated whitewall in 120/70/12 for the front, and NOBODY makes one in 140/70/12 for the rear... So my dealer inquired about a good choice for a rear that I could paint a whitewall on. Turned out to be a Michelin Power Pure. "Minnie Mouse" just wouldn't look "right" with blackwalls... LOL!The mix of tires rides to perfection, and I can recommend both the Shinko and Michelin for those wanting good, affordable P-rated tires. Just be sure to keep them aired up!Ride safe,Leo in Texas
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Post by chewbaca on Dec 19, 2017 17:22:16 GMT -5
nice looking scoot
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Post by oldchopperguy on Dec 21, 2017 23:19:00 GMT -5
Thanks! She IS mighty obsolete and outdated by today's standards but just right or this old geezer... I was wanting a ride as similar to a step-through 150 as possible but with enough speed for the highway for the occasional trip down the road... And, to be able to keep up with local traffic on the numerous local surface streets with 45-50 speed limits where traffic regularly runs 65-70. For more than a half-century I rode Harleys but now at 71, arthritis keeps me from being able to comfortably climb on and off big bikes (and budget keeps me from buying one). That's why I need a step-through frame. In all honesty, this old 250 does everything my last Harley (1970 Electra-Glide bagger) would do except a little less top-speed. On the flat, no wind, the old Hog would do about ninety, and the scoot will do eighty. The scoot has better acceleration than the old Hog, and the brakes are light-years better... And to my surprise, the ride and comfort is as good or better than the old Harley. It's not a Harley, but then it's not supposed to be... LOL! But it's a GREAT all-round ride, and cheap to own and insure. Not a bad trade off! And now, I'm totally spoiled by the twist n' go CVT tranny... A lazy riders' best friend! These old Kymco 250's ("Grandvista" and "Bet & Win") are reliable "workhorses" that use a standard ATV driveline, last forever and don't give trouble. This one is an '07 that had 15K mile on her when I traded in my old Chinese 150 on her. She has 18K miles now, and has never given the slightest bit of trouble... Reliable as the family Honda car.The saddlebags hide the 250 badging so most riders assume it's a Chinese 150. Lots of fun! Ride safe,Leo in Texas
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Post by lostforawhile on Dec 23, 2017 23:28:30 GMT -5
i check my pressure every day, I carry a really good dial gauge and a collapsible bike pump, it's designed to go on a bike frame. It's critical on these 10 inch tires.
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Post by w650 on Dec 24, 2017 22:34:19 GMT -5
Hardly obsolete Leo. Most under 300cc scooters still use the same mechanical architecture today. About the only change is fuel injection, ABS and different bodywork.
I had the same issue with my 150cc scooter tires. I went to ride it in the Spring and the bike was all over the place. I discovered the front tire valve core was leaking and the rear tire was at about 22psi. I replaced the valve core, filled the tires and rolled off happily.
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Post by lostforawhile on Dec 27, 2017 16:26:10 GMT -5
anyone tried those pressure indicator caps?
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Post by cyborg55 on Dec 27, 2017 21:54:45 GMT -5
Not on a bike but on my 4 wheeled V’s,,,they work well
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Post by oldchopperguy on Dec 27, 2017 22:59:53 GMT -5
I love the idea of the pressure indicator valve caps, but... I bought a pair and found putting one on my REAR tire hits the disk-brake caliper... BUMMER! The ONLY gripe I have with my Kymco is the rear valve-stem placed on the driver's RIGHT (curb) side! It is SO close to the disk, caliper and exhaust that it's a MAJOR PIA to even check the pressure... To fill the tire, it requires an old-school hose with angled tip. Those are few and far between, so I got a screw-on right-angle extension made for bicycles. It works great, but is still a pain...
If Kymco would have placed the stem on the LEFT side of the rim, it would be EASY to check and inflate... Oh well, if THAT is the only gripe I can find on a 10-year-old scoot, I'm probably too picky... LOL!
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Post by onewheeldrive on Dec 29, 2017 4:20:33 GMT -5
I love the idea of the pressure indicator valve caps, but... I bought a pair and found putting one on my REAR tire hits the disk-brake caliper... BUMMER! The ONLY gripe I have with my Kymco is the rear valve-stem placed on the driver's RIGHT (curb) side! It is SO close to the disk, caliper and exhaust that it's a MAJOR PIA to even check the pressure... To fill the tire, it requires an old-school hose with angled tip. Those are few and far between, so I got a screw-on right-angle extension made for bicycles. It works great, but is still a pain... If Kymco would have placed the stem on the LEFT side of the rim, it would be EASY to check and inflate... Oh well, if THAT is the only gripe I can find on a 10-year-old scoot, I'm probably too picky... LOL! I’d be tempted to just replace the valve stem and then angle the new one to where it was best positioned, BEFORE the next tire change, lol. Not sure if it’d be worth the trouble though...
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Post by oldchopperguy on Dec 29, 2017 23:05:55 GMT -5
I love the idea of the pressure indicator valve caps, but... I bought a pair and found putting one on my REAR tire hits the disk-brake caliper... BUMMER! The ONLY gripe I have with my Kymco is the rear valve-stem placed on the driver's RIGHT (curb) side! It is SO close to the disk, caliper and exhaust that it's a MAJOR PIA to even check the pressure... To fill the tire, it requires an old-school hose with angled tip. Those are few and far between, so I got a screw-on right-angle extension made for bicycles. It works great, but is still a pain... If Kymco would have placed the stem on the LEFT side of the rim, it would be EASY to check and inflate... Oh well, if THAT is the only gripe I can find on a 10-year-old scoot, I'm probably too picky... LOL! I’d be tempted to just replace the valve stem and then angle the new one to where it was best positioned, BEFORE the next tire change, lol. Not sure if it’d be worth the trouble though... Good idea, but there's no room for any other type of stem. It's a shorty straight stem, and the cap is only 3/4" from the disk, and closer yet to the caliper. There's just no place the wheel can be rotated to that exposes more than a "mouse-hole" to get a tire gauge or air-hose in... The brake, muffler, etc. is all in the way. Even the shortest right-angle stem won't clear the caliper, and wouldn't really help anyway. The stupid stem simply should have been placed on the OTHER side of the rim, where the wheel is wide-open and EASILY accessible... This pic shows a little bit of how buried the stem is... It's hard to see, but it has a blue cap, showing just below the fishtail pipe. Anywhere you rotate the wheel it just disappears behind the caliper... I found a right-angle filler at a bicycle shop that saves the day. It screws onto the stem, rotates freely and loses no air when screwing on or off. You must remove it to check the pressure, so I just make sure the tire is filled to a few pounds over, then bleed the air to the right pressure. It's a great little tool for vehicles with hard-to-access valve-stems. I thought I had a picture of the filler, but could not find it. You CAN get them on eBay, and they make it at least "possible" to access the stem... LOL!
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