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Post by j2thesea on May 18, 2017 6:03:44 GMT -5
Hello! I am haveing some issues with my new scooter. I have read a lot of posts with issues similar to mine, but my circumstances are slightly different. Perhaps my fix is different too. From what I've read, there are some real experts around, any info would be greatly appreciated. So, I basically took a perfectly good scooter and made it much worse. It's got about 50 miles on it. The oil and gear oil has been changed. It ran great until......I watched a video about how cheap the components were on Chinese scooters, so I ordered a performance pack from some company. It included a high(er) performance carburetor, new smaller air filter, new orange coil wire and racing cdi. I decided to change these parts. I'm pretty handy with vehicles and thought to myself, it's a simple little engine, what can go wrong?? Dumb. All parts went on easily and after some starting fluid it started up and ran. Ever since then, the throttle is very finicky. If I rev the mother and let off the gas too fast, it stalls. Any time the throttle is backed off quickly, it stalls. Also, when it warms up fully, approx 2-3 miles, it dies completely. And will not start until sufficient time has passed and with WOT totally pegged open. The engin will start very slowly and the rpms will eventually catch up to the WOT. Couple more miles, same thing. I have adjusted the carb ad nauseum. Looked for leaks in manifold or vacuum lines. I'm going to clean the carburetor, even though it is brand new and check the valves, which are again brand new. If that fails, I'm going to put the original parts back on and be happy with its performance. Any thoughts?
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Post by dollartwentyfive on May 18, 2017 9:08:21 GMT -5
if the scoot was running good before the parts replacement then do the following: replace all of the new parts with the old ones. then replace one old part at a time. i would start with the carb.
it also sounds like your valves might be out of adjustment. but you said the scoot ran perfectly before the parts replacement.
another thing to be aware of, loose electrical connections. while removing/ replacing parts, some of these connections might have been jostled around and they got loose.
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Post by j2thesea on May 18, 2017 10:05:17 GMT -5
I suspected that was going to be one of the prescriptions. I will post back with results. Thanks for the reply!
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Post by j2thesea on May 18, 2017 19:39:32 GMT -5
Ok. I put on the original cdi and coil tonight. I left the new carb and air filter on. The bike did the same routine. Started well. Had a little trouble keeping the idol going after releasing the throttle. And about 10-15 minutes into some steady riding, complete deadness. Shuts right down. Wait 10-15 minutes and sluggishly starts back up and will run for 10-15 minutes and so on. I think it's overheating and cooling and heating again. Could just a new carb and filter cause this?
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Post by dollartwentyfive on May 19, 2017 12:26:29 GMT -5
it definitely sounds like the carb. i would check to see if the float works properly, and that the slide moves up and down freely and smoothly. also, there should be about 1/4" play in the throttle when closed.
i would also check the fuel valve. if your tank is higher than the carb, you might be able to use a manual shutoff valve.
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Post by cyborg55 on May 20, 2017 13:21:36 GMT -5
Valves need adjustment
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Post by dollartwentyfive on May 20, 2017 18:26:49 GMT -5
this might be a possibility, but the OP said the scoot ran fine until he put a new carb and airbox on. i don't have much experience with 50cc carbs, i have a 250.
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Post by hillbillybob on May 21, 2017 16:48:24 GMT -5
If you buy a new scooter, or even just a 'new to you' one...first thing on the agenda is to perform a comprehensive PDI, which includes, as cyborg suggested, a valve clearance check. If you don't start off by doing a PDI, it will be one thing after another puting your scooter out of commission.
Do one, and do it right...ride it the way it was intended to be ridden.....keep up on routine maintenance...and you will be rewarded with thousands and thousands of miles, of trouble free operation.
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Post by dollartwentyfive on May 21, 2017 19:28:31 GMT -5
If you buy a new scooter, or even just a 'new to you' one...first thing on the agenda is to perform a comprehensive PDI, which includes, as cyborg suggested, a valve clearance check. i have to second that, and it's a time consuming process (PDI) when done properly. another thing to remember is, these chinese scoots don't seemed to be designed, they seem to be copys of whats already out there. my 250 was an excellent example of that. yeah, once i got the bugs out of mine, it was a sheer joy to ride, and i rode it hard. you know you are leaning when you hear the centerstand scrape the pavement my number one "no start" scenario was electrically caused, not mechanical. give the electrics a thorough going over, making sure each connection is solid. i just couldn't deal with it so i rewired the scoot using direct crimp on connections. i kept the OEM connectors for the CDI, pulse pickup, and regulator. anyway, yeah, there is probably a PDI thread here on the site somewhere.
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