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Post by spandi on Apr 16, 2017 13:16:18 GMT -5
1100.00 Dollars and sitting in the shop for what, over a month? THAT'S INSANE! I have a very nice Japanese Bando belt in my scoot, all of seventy bucks to buy and the Mechanic's fee's were very reasonable. (I see my mechanic almost every day....In the mirror.)
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Apr 16, 2017 14:56:21 GMT -5
A scooter, excepting certain ones with separate engine/drive configuration, will always be at a disadvantage in terms of handling. The engine in a scooter is directly under the rider which gives it something like a 70/30 weight distribution. A motorcycle has it further forward putting weight distribution at close to 50/50. Also most scooters are belt drive leading to friction loss. Bikes all have solid drive. Scooters have trunks, bikes don't which is what makes a scooter a better grocery getter against a bike with no rear trunk or saddlebags. well, see, how do we know this weight distribution is a disadvantage? maybe this distribution helps prevent front end wobble. the belt thing is another major point about scooters. the "transmission" in these bikes consist basically of 3 parts, variator, belt, and slip clutch the only part that is hard to service is the slip clutch, but it CAN be serviced using shop tools. a redesign of the CVT could probably lead to toothed belts (i have no idea what this redesign would look like though) i stand by my assertions, a 350cc CVT scooter would probably be the most bike anyone would need. and you wouldn't have to worry about getting the wrong gear |
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Post by Jarlaxle on Apr 16, 2017 16:02:49 GMT -5
1100.00 Dollars and sitting in the shop for what, over a month? THAT'S INSANE! I have a very nice Japanese Bando belt in my scoot, all of seventy bucks to buy and the Mechanic's fee's were very reasonable. (I see my mechanic almost every day....In the mirror.) Belt in a B650 goes a long time...I think the PM interval is 45K miles. |
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Post by pistonguy on Apr 16, 2017 17:22:00 GMT -5
A scooter, excepting certain ones with separate engine/drive configuration, will always be at a disadvantage in terms of handling. The engine in a scooter is directly under the rider which gives it something like a 70/30 weight distribution. A motorcycle has it further forward putting weight distribution at close to 50/50. Also most scooters are belt drive leading to friction loss. Bikes all have solid drive. Scooters have trunks, bikes don't which is what makes a scooter a better grocery getter against a bike with no rear trunk or saddlebags. well, see, how do we know this weight distribution is a disadvantage? maybe this distribution helps prevent front end wobble. the belt thing is another major point about scooters. the "transmission" in these bikes consist basically of 3 parts, variator, belt, and slip clutch the only part that is hard to service is the slip clutch, but it CAN be serviced using shop tools. a redesign of the CVT could probably lead to toothed belts (i have no idea what this redesign would look like though) i stand by my assertions, a 350cc CVT scooter would probably be the most bike anyone would need. and you wouldn't have to worry about getting the wrong gear How do we know the Scoot weight distribution is a disadvantage? Any modern sport bike bias is 50/50 Try this as I have get on your scoot, take your hands off the bars, then watch that front wheel Wobble, even more fun put a passenger on the back take hands off bars and lean back, it will scar the snit out of your passenger. I have at last count 17 real bikes,I have never had to split cases to get into a gear box, if you have ever MX'd you don't even have to dump the oil to install a new clutch, lean the bike on her side remove cover and install Clutch with hand tools, "O" Ring no maintenance chains and a sprocket or two is all you will ever do. MY CVT is a contestant wear item, the tune is always changing with the rollers or sliders wearing flat spots on them, and the fancy schmancy coated NCY varies the junk coating comes off in less than 30 minutes run time. |
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Post by pistonguy on Apr 16, 2017 17:23:13 GMT -5
 50/50 bias, A Race/Track bike that just happens to have lights on it. |
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Post by cyborg55 on Apr 16, 2017 17:39:24 GMT -5
50/50 bias, A Race/Track bike that just happens to have lights on it. Show off 😆 |
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Post by pistonguy on Apr 16, 2017 18:50:08 GMT -5
50/50 bias, A Race/Track bike that just happens to have lights on it. Show off 😆 Ever wonder why we don't see Dani Pedrosa make a late braking pass on riders like Leon Camier? Hmmmm? Theres a reason they call her a Fire Blade. |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Apr 16, 2017 20:56:56 GMT -5
It could be because Pedrosa is a NAFOD (no apparent fear of death).
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Apr 16, 2017 21:24:17 GMT -5
Try this as I have get on your scoot, take your hands off the bars, then watch that front wheel Wobble, even more fun put a passenger on the back take hands off bars and lean back, it will scar the snit out of your passenger. ok, i'll admit that my 250 did indeed "wobble" with no hands, but my wheels were never balanced (front nor rear). this "wobble" isn't even noticeable with both hands on the bars at any speed, and i usually ran flat out where ever i went. the CVT on my ride didn't give me that much problems. i replaced the OEM rollers because they had broken into small pieces. the broken rollers also helped to ruin the variator, so i had to replace it too. i replaced the belt because the clearance between the belt and the CVT was too tight. the clutch gave no problems at all, even after 10,000 miles the clutch shoes showed very little sign of wear (hardly none) and could have easily lasted 50,000 miles, if not more. the only real problem with my CVT was one of ventilation. my CVT was all metal, and i couldn't keep my hand on it for a second. some well placed drilled holes, and a rerouting of the ventilation solved that problem. greasing the clutch was not easy but it is doable without disassembly (you have to remove the unit from the bike). all of the above was operable when my ride choked. the items i replaced most often were the front brake pads and the rear tire. no, i can't complain about the mechanical aspects of my scooter. the electrics was the headache |
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Post by pistonguy on Apr 16, 2017 21:27:10 GMT -5
It could be because Pedrosa is a NAFOD (no apparent fear of death). Huh, that pretty good. Actually Pedrosa is like 5'2 and 112 lbs, Camier is 6'2" and 174 lbs, everything else the same a smaller rider simply cannot transfer enough weight to the back of the bike to keep the bike stable in these braking situations. A riders weight should be centralized as best as possible, just as the bikes Components are. this means that, in a transition especially, you'll want to keep your head and chest low to the tank as possible, rising very little as you flick the bike from left to right-or visa versa. its Not so Much Weight you have its Where You Place it! understanding weight distribution techniques does not mean its ok to live on burgers and fries. however, knowing how to use your body's mass to your advantage on the track can pay huge dividends over the course of a lap. similarly, while Street Riders Need Not to worry about leaning off excessively to put their weight as far inside as possible, Weighting the Pegs Will Help Hold the Line Through Canyon Corner and Should be taken into Consideration. Transferring Weight Under Braking Can Also increase Composure and Safety on the Road as Well!!! |
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Post by pistonguy on Apr 16, 2017 22:57:17 GMT -5
 Some of me Glory days. This is Correct Rider Position, One finger Clutch, Braaaaaap! |
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Post by spandi on Apr 16, 2017 23:06:38 GMT -5
1100.00 Dollars and sitting in the shop for what, over a month? THAT'S INSANE! I have a very nice Japanese Bando belt in my scoot, all of seventy bucks to buy and the Mechanic's fee's were very reasonable. (I see my mechanic almost every day....In the mirror.) Belt in a B650 goes a long time...I think the PM interval is 45K miles. Even so, even if it's a brand new 2017 model, that is still what, 10 percent of the sticker price... For a belt?!!! |
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Post by cyborg55 on Apr 17, 2017 8:20:06 GMT -5
This is Correct Rider Position AMEN,,,feet under butt,,all my rides are that way,,no lazyboy feet forward for me,,that kind of stuff promotes sloppy riding habits,and poor balance,,and in a bad situation can be the difference between saving it and being on your hat ,,been a few times where the rear stepped out on me due to sand water leaves and if I was on the couch I'd have been tossed,,,and I'll add that's one of the biggest reasons I really don't care for the big scooters,,almost all of them are feet forward riding position,, |
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Post by pistonguy on Apr 17, 2017 19:32:55 GMT -5
 The plan has been if ya can hang around some of these guys enough hopefully they'll rub some Magic on ya. Got Some!!!! |
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Post by cyborg55 on Apr 18, 2017 14:50:42 GMT -5
FREDRICO!!!!!!!!!
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