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Post by spandi on Apr 11, 2017 10:30:54 GMT -5
Spandi - We already covered that when I purchased my Aprilia it was as an unknown walk in yet you keep bringing networking and sharing a coffed break into the equasion. It appears that you are not getting it yet that on the 250cc Aprilia deal this was not the case and that deal was not special just for me but rather available to everyone in the USA for over a year and then for two more years the 250cc bikes were available further reduced to $2,599 from the national distributor in Seattle Washington. Even the forums sponsors sell their 250's in the price ranges that I have indicated Chinese 250cc scooters are selling for. I am beinging to think your mind is getting lost in a white room some where. Time to change the dosage bud. For the rest please check local prices at some of your mainstream dealerships for a while first before just assuming that a Chinese scoot will always be the better bargain or you could really loose out. Don't you get "it" ? Aprilia was getting rid of inventory before pulling out of the (large scooter) American market. ( like a jet dumping unneeded fuel) you simply became the chance beneficiary of a corporate action. Those dealers are not there to do YOU any favours. You were at the right place at the right time, and got a very nice quality ride for a lot less. |
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Post by rockynv on Apr 13, 2017 4:08:36 GMT -5
That does not change the fact that the prices of the Chinese scooters are what I indicated and that you can get similar deals today on 250cc and up sized scooters at Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kymco, Piaggio, etc sales and incentives events. There is the pervasive misconception perpetuated that this is impossible.
The Chinese have decided for the most part that in the US size matters mentality that there is no market for an over 200cc scooter especially if its a 40 year old design with no oil filter or fuel injection. Yet Suzuki, Yamaha, Piaggio and Honda are pressing on. Aprilia did not pull out either rather it appears that parent company Piaggio did not like that Aprilia was outdoing them building scooters that preformed better using the same engines as their own Piaggio and Vespa brands and pulled their access to the engines only allowing them to have a 50cc. Piaggio even stopped them from continuing with their own Aprilia Fuel Injected 50cc 2 stroke that ran as fast as many Chinese 150cc scooters. Its Piaggio internal politics that is preventing Aprilia from continuing with anything more than a 50cc motard scooter.
BTW: In your previous post you erroneously indicated it was because of being bribed with a jelly doenut that I got a discount. You really need to make up your mind.
For the rest of us please "Look before you leap" which is what I have said all along as there are still bargains to be had that you'll never find out about if you listen to the Princess Bride mentality claiming that its "Inconceivable" for normal people to get good deals today on anything but a Chinese scooter especially if your matured past the need for just a sub 65 mph 150/200cc scoot.
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Post by w650 on Apr 13, 2017 9:29:59 GMT -5
Yet Suzuki, Yamaha, Piaggio and Honda are pressing on. Sorry Rocky but a quick check will show that with the exception of the BMW C650, Burgman 650 and 400 and BV 350 the biggest scooters are stuck at 300. Yamaha has dropped the Majesty and TMax in this country as has Honda with the Silverwing. If Honda or any of the other Big 4 introduce a 300cc or smaller bike with DCT big scooters are toast. DCT is the next variator and Honda has it down pat. Even Aprilia had to drop the Mana in the face of the NC 700. The problem with bargains is that they almost never pop up when you need them. If I needed a scooter tomorrow and I couldn't wait months for a Garage Sale or Clearance Special then I would have to pay retail with maybe a slight discount. Bargains like yours don't happen every day. I also have a hard time believing that Piaggio dropped the Sport City because it outperformed the BV 250. Same bike, same engine with the same MSRP. If the Sport City was such a hot seller it would be shooting themselves in the foot to cut it off. Money in the bank is money in the bank. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ApriliaAprilia is an Italian motorcycle company, one of the marques owned by Piaggio. |
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Post by spandi on Apr 13, 2017 9:55:00 GMT -5
That does not change the fact that the prices of the Chinese scooters are what I indicated and that you can get similar deals today on 250cc and up sized scooters at Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kymco, Piaggio, etc sales and incentives events. There is the pervasive misconception perpetuated that this is impossible. The Chinese have decided for the most part that in the US size matters mentality that there is no market for an over 200cc scooter especially if its a 40 year old design with no oil filter or fuel injection. Yet Suzuki, Yamaha, Piaggio and Honda are pressing on. Aprilia did not pull out either rather it appears that parent company Piaggio did not like that Aprilia was outdoing them building scooters that preformed better using the same engines as their own Piaggio and Vespa brands and pulled their access to the engines only allowing them to have a 50cc. Piaggio even stopped them from continuing with their own Aprilia Fuel Injected 50cc 2 stroke that ran as fast as many Chinese 150cc scooters. Its Piaggio internal politics that is preventing Aprilia from continuing with anything more than a 50cc motard scooter. BTW: In your previous post you erroneously indicated it was because of being bribed with a jelly doenut that I got a discount. You really need to make up your mind. For the rest of us please "Look before you leap" which is what I have said all along as there are still bargains to be had that you'll never find out about if you listen to the Princess Bride mentality claiming that its "Inconceivable" for normal people to get good deals today on anything but a Chinese scooter especially if your matured past the need for just a sub 65 mph 150/200cc scoot. Let's see shall we?.... You are not going to get a Honda or Piaggio scooter for the price of a Chinese scoot, that is simply a day-to-day reality. Might I point out one of our latest members has a VERY nice Wolf V150, going for the budget breaking price of $1800.00? (Well $1799 actually, but who would be so petty as to not overlook one dollar in cost?) BTW, the price of a Vespa in 1965 was $244-$269 dollars, less than $2100.00 in today's money...Can we say overpriced? As far as no market for larger bikes with no oil filter or fuel injection, may a point out that the Chinese 260 scoot you used as an example HAS said fuel injection? (But why confuse you with the facts right?) Now on to your all persuasive donuts, if you read carefully, you'll see I suggested it as what you SHOULD have done. In such a state of sugar induced ecstasy the dealer probably would have simply handed you the keys and title. Finally as to "The rest of us" (A majority of one?) May I again point out this forum was started as a place for CHINESE riders, and not the other way 'round. If that is not to your liking, I'm sure you can find many OTHER blogs in which you will have the opportunity to vent your fructose-fueled phantasmagoric assertions of vehicular superiority. |
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Post by w650 on Apr 13, 2017 15:02:00 GMT -5
Finally as to "The rest of us" (A majority of one?) May I again point out this forum was started as a place for CHINESE riders, and not the other way 'round. If that is not to your liking, I'm sure you can find many OTHER blogs in which you will have the opportunity to vent your fructose-fueled phantasmagoric assertions of vehicular superiority.
Alright Gentlemen let's dial it back a notch. This particular forum descended from Scootdawg where any brand scooter owner was welcome. I won't pretend that for many years I was particularly defensive about having my Chinese scooters labeled as trash. Having one for nine years and the second for five has made me more secure in their usefulness. Others have not enjoyed my success.
Everybody enjoys success in certain areas. Some people are ALWAYS in the right place at the right time. It's Karma. Many of us just stumble through life paying retail because the bargains either don't present themselves when we need them or just don't happen.
I've been around a long time and it doesn't matter what scooter you own, Chinese or Brand Name, they all break sooner or later. How soon or how bad depends on the rider. This forum is for everyone to come to, give or get advice and relate their experiences. The days of flaming people and posturing is behind us. We all enjoy riding scooters and working on them. Keep that in mind.
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Post by spandi on Apr 13, 2017 15:43:34 GMT -5
Very well. Consider it dialed back.
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Post by spandi on Apr 13, 2017 15:51:30 GMT -5
Finally as to "The rest of us" (A majority of one?) May I again point out this forum was started as a place for CHINESE riders, and not the other way 'round. If that is not to your liking, I'm sure you can find many OTHER blogs in which you will have the opportunity to vent your fructose-fueled phantasmagoric assertions of vehicular superiority.
Alright Gentlemen let's dial it back a notch. This particular forum descended from Scootdawg where any brand scooter owner was welcome. I won't pretend that for many years I was particularly defensive about having my Chinese scooters labeled as trash. Having one for nine years and the second for five has made me more secure in their usefulness. Others have not enjoyed my success. Everybody enjoys success in certain areas. Some people are ALWAYS in the right place at the right time. It's Karma. Many of us just stumble through life paying retail because the bargains either don't present themselves when we need them or just don't happen. I've been around a long time and it doesn't matter what scooter you own, Chinese or Brand Name, they all break sooner or later. How soon or how bad depends on the rider. This forum is for everyone to come to, give or get advice and relate their experiences. The days of flaming people and posturing is behind us. We all enjoy riding scooters and working on them. Keep that in mind. The funny thing is when I was a kid you could buy a Vespa or Lambretta in Sears or "Monkey" Ward's and it wasn't any big deal. Just a way to get around economically. |
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