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Post by beerkeg on Oct 3, 2013 23:12:18 GMT -5
Yeah My Honda had the push to cancel thing which was nice but this one does not appear to work that way. It is annoying but only when I actually remember to cancel! I hope to find some tall mirrors that will intergrate turn signals in the mirror and be visible out of the corner of the eye which would really help me remember since I cannot hear the beeper most of the time. Maybe I could get one of the old buzz rings for the left hand grip and I'd feel it buzz as it beeps. Like most riders I find things I like about the bike and things I don't like. I hope to soften up the rear shocks somehow to be a bit easier on these old bones. Mostly I find it's a lot of bike for the price and the quality seems darn good so far. I suspect that Chinese bikes will get better and better, they're certainly capable of building quality.
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Post by beerkeg on Oct 3, 2013 10:34:22 GMT -5
An update on this bike is at hand. I have a few more miles on her now and can say I still like this bike a lot. I do not use 1st gear at all and use mostly 2nd and 3rd in city traffic where I make such frequent stops. I have pretty much mastered the semi automatic tranny and have no problems shifting up or down. I will likely eventually change a sprocket, not sure of front or rear yet just to give her a bit more range and reduce engine rpms in all gears. It is not a problem in my usual riding although I have hit a few spots that I actually was able to use 4th gear and found it could be geared higher. Oil changes have shown virtually zero metal flaking in the old oil. Shifting is still tight and I still miss a gear now and then with poor foot placement. I have adjusted the front brake to be a bit tighter and need to do the same for the rear as the pedal is pretty soft. I have had to make one panic stop and am happy to report that the drum brakes worked just fine with locking wheels evenly and no tendency to have the rear end come out from under me. It just feels a bit spongy in the pedal. I have used the basket a little bit and have used the center storage rack to carry a 10" android tablet used as a reader. That works fine but find the center rack presents a difficulty mounting and dismounting the seat as these old legs don't want to lift that high anymore so the center rack is going off the bike. A rear carrier is a good possibility and I actually have one from my Benelli m50 which could bolt on easily. It's black and silver and my bike is blue and white so the color is ok as the seat is black and white. I have not yet had saddle bags on it as my bags would touch the muffler on the right side. I am hoping the ride softens a bit as it can be quite harsh on old bones with numerous injuries in the past. I feel the rear shocks could be softer and cannot comment on the front leading link suspension which also seems quite hard but perhaps necessary to be so. Gas mileage has been excellent. I am close to 100 mpg. but my measuring has not been really accurate. I'm running 87 Octane now and it's doing just fine with that fuel. I have not had to adjust the chain tension yet although I think it may need it as I hear some clanking now and then that sounds like the chain hitting the covers. This bike has a lot of torque in all gears. Over all this bike has been a far happier experience than the nightmare Benelli M50 turned into. I still feel I just got a lemon on that one and it's going up north to the summer place as a slow speed pleasure rider. I also have a friend there who is a genius with these bikes and he's going to make a winter rebuilding project out of it by totally rebuilding it. Hopefully it will all work better. I would definitely recommend the BMS 110 Bi Metro to others and Superior Motor Sports treated me great all the way through the process of buying the bike. They price matched a dealer I felt uncomfortable with and shipping was fast and easy. The local delivery was simple and right into my garage despite being on an alley with narrow space and low hanging electrical wires. The driver put the bike right inside my garage, he waited as I inspected for damage and was professional and very courteous as well as personable.
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Post by beerkeg on Oct 3, 2013 10:02:25 GMT -5
I am considering mirrors like this for my BMS BiMetro110 because it has a very small and short throw signal switch that I either over throw or forget to cancel. I'd like mirrors that are tall enough to be visible in the corner of my vision and have a rear facing blinker so I can easily be aware that the signal is still blinking. It has a beeper which I cannot hear in traffic so it's useless. So far I have not found just the right set. Self cancelling signals would be a nice feature. I've had the bike for while now and just discovered the steering lock down by the fork which is not mentioned in the user manual.
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Post by beerkeg on Sept 9, 2013 15:27:46 GMT -5
[replyingto=alleyoop]alleyoop[/replyingto]AlleyOop. Mine came with a beeper but it really is not loud enough in busy traffic situations to be heard and I do forget to turn the signal off or push the switch too far and turn on the opposite signal. I'm considering tall rear view mirrors with built in Signals that will be visible in my side vision. More reliable than hearing the beeper. I like the idea of tapping into the brake light too. I had a medical appointment today and rode the bike to and from. Had a long stretch where I used 4th gear and yep she does wind out a bit at higher speeds so likely to make a sprocket change when I get her ready for winter storage. Still have just uner 75 miles on her. Shifting gears is getting a bit easier, not sure if they're loosening a bit or if I'm just getting used to it, maybe both. Still better than 3/4 of the first tank of gas left so she's doing good on MPG. I'm running it on octane per the manual.
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Post by beerkeg on Sept 7, 2013 22:10:23 GMT -5
I had my son over today and he took a ride on her. He's a much more experienced rider than I am. He came to about the same conclusions that I did and we did discuss maybe going down a few teeth on the rear sprocket also. He pretty much agreed that was maybe a good idea but suggested that I get it broke in first and let the tranny loosen up a bit and then think about that. He thought softer shocks might improve the ride as well and he weighs a good 225. He felt some of the road shock was just being passed to my rear end. He was surprised that the bike had as much torque with his weight on it. He took a fairly steep, long hill near here in 3rd gear without slowing down any. He said he felt the bike was too short for him, he's 6' 2" and was sitting back pretty far and felt a bit off balance because of that. I'm just going to bide my time and ride her as she is for a while and let things break in. By then it will be time to go to winter storage anyway so a good time to find the chain noise we hear and to do a sprocket change is we decide to do so. I'm under 150lbs now after cancer battles so I get bounced pretty easy. Despite losing about 45 lbs of fat and muscle I'm still strong enough to handle this light weight bike. A heavier bike would give me problems I think. Thanks to all you guys for the input and wisdom!
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Post by beerkeg on Sept 6, 2013 13:03:43 GMT -5
I've had the bike for a short time now and did manage to get it properly registered and licensed in Wisconsin despite problems with the local DMV office. Several guys here talked about changing sprockets to give higher gear ratios thus increasing top speed and reducing engine rpms. I did consider this as the bike has a lot of torque in all 4 gears and it could use a smaller rear sprocket maybe. I have found that here in the city I don't get to 4th gear much and when I do it's usually for a short time due to the frequent stops I have to make. I find that it has good speed and acceleration is brisk enough even starting in 2nd or 3rd gear and no need to run WOT at all. I like having the torque when I need to quickly speed up to avoid a situation or evade a problem. So I'm leaving it alone as of now. The bike is running great and so far I'm happy with it. Found a couple of minor things that I dislike. One is the small, short throw turn signal switch and it's beeping alert thing. It's too easy to switch to the opposite indication if not careful to stop the slide in the middle. This switch is also very close to the horn and I accidently hit it often. I am considering changing the mirrors to the type with indicator lights built in which would make them easy to see and remember to turn off. On the right handle bar is the front brake lever which is partially blocked by the added on turn signal lights. I have very large hands and find the light in my way at times. This is a light weight bike at 180lbs and it does not absorb road bumps as a heavier bike would so the ride is not as smooth as I'd like but the roads here are in poor shape. There is an intermittent chain clank that I have not yet found. Over all I like it very much and would buy another if I needed to. I got the bike from Superior Motor Sports and must say they have been excellent to work with all the way through despite a few claims of bad service I read here. I have not tried to see what the top speed is, as others have said on this forum, this bike is too light for speeds much over 40mph. As an urban commuter she's great despite my agreement with the short gearing in all four gears. It does require quick shifting but I have found that easy to do and no problem downshifting so far. Having said all this I'd give this bike a positive review.
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Post by beerkeg on Sept 1, 2013 16:28:42 GMT -5
[replyingto=prodigit]prodigit[/replyingto]From the short rides so far I've found that I only use 3rd and 4th gear. There is always a lag with traffic getting started and this bike has pretty good acceleration in 3rd. I'm most often at the next stop by the time I need 4th gear. Down shifting has not been a problem and I do it at a pretty slow speed. I'm sure I will be using all the gears once I can ride further as there are some nice hills along the way. Right now it's all level ground. I sure would prefer to do my riding up at my summer place in lake country. Very rural with lots of curves and hills to deal with. Unfortunately even though I'm retired I have to stay here due to the ongoing medical care. I've been reading conflicting ideas on break in, one method says push it so the rings expand out and wear in well, others say take it easy for awhile. Some good points on both sides of that discussion. It sounds like I'll be just fine with the way I'll need to ride here in the city. I'm thinking high quality oil and frequent changes make a lot of sense.
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Post by beerkeg on Aug 31, 2013 22:03:43 GMT -5
So far I only have about 12 miles on it, just around the immediate area as it's not yet registered or insured. I hit a snag with registering it in Wisconsin. The local DMV says they do not have this bike on their approved list (what ever that is) and cannot register it. They referred me to DMV central offices in Madison and I've had email from them saying there are several answers to my questions and I need to call them. It's extremely difficult for me to use a telephone after cancer treatments (no voice box) so I replied to their email with photos of all pertinent informational tags and stickers. It is stated on the MCO and on the attached tag that it meets all federal DOT and EPA standards so I don't see any reason it should not be easily registered. I'll be looking for a reply to my email soon. I explained to them about the difficulty with telephones so hopefully they'll understand that not every one can do the usual route. From the little riding I've done I can see that possibly taller gearing could be helpful but I won't think of any changes until it's well broken in. Their user manual would have me do less than 25mph the first hundred miles and less than 30 for the first 500 or so. I'm not likely to stay much under 30 around here without getting run off the road. I would not feel comfortable going faster than 40 on this bike. But I do all city riding so that's plenty fast enough. I'm going to take it easy on the bike for the first 200-300. I did change out the oil that came in it. Did not find any metal flakes in it but it's hardly been warmed up so far. I'll post further after I know more. Great info from all you guys.....Thanks
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Post by beerkeg on Aug 30, 2013 14:41:33 GMT -5
I just got the Bi Metro and with the help of a young friend had it uncrated and assembled in about 3 hours or so. It went together well but I must say the PDF file assembly instructions leave a lot to be desired. For example the bolt that holds the bikes front forks in place in shipping is also the front axle. The instructions fail to mention that. We were looking all over for it and the spacer. Bike started right up and runs like a dream. Had her out for short rides since it's not yet registered or plated. This is a 110cc 4 stroke, air cooled engine, and a 4 speed semi automatic transmission. I have not even taken it out of 3rd gear so far. Takes off ok in that gear and doesn't seem to wind out and call for 4th in the short blocks that I've ridden so far. This bike has lots of torque, even in 3rd gear I can feel the engine braking if I ease off the throttle. It looks just like the Honda Cub it is a clone of. It's plenty fast enough for my riding around the city. Going to take some getting used to shifting gears with out a clutch and the rear brake is by the right foot also something to get used to. So far it seems to be a really sweet ride. I got be blue and white package. I look forward to getting the registration done and get plates on her for a longer higher speed run and chance to run through all 4 gears. Shifting is a bit tight being new. I checked the oil and it was right up to full when it got here and the oil doesn't smell like the usual Chinese crap oil we know and hate. I'll change the oil once she is used a bit more. One thing I did not like was the right turn signal hangs over the front brake lever making that a bit awkward but I have very large hands. There are two molded in signal lights that do not seem to be wired as they function only as reflectors. Apparently DOT required the addition of the added ones. I'll post further review after she gets a few more miles on her.
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Post by beerkeg on Aug 30, 2013 14:20:12 GMT -5
[replyingto=millsc]millsc[/replyingto]I just got a new BMS BiMetro110 from Superior. It arrived a week after my order date, well crated and in excellent condition. Driver was most helpful. He backed the truck half a block down my alley to get to my garage and had a pallet jack on the truck and moved it right into the garage for me. He waited while I opened up the crate enough to see if there was any damage. Superior met the price of another dealer that I did not feel comfortable with. The order had actually been placed with another dealer a week earlier but they could not deliver to the alley for some reason and I sure couldn't be unpacking and doing final assembly in a public roadway so that got cancelled. I've have several emails back and forth with Superior and chatted with Brenda. They have been quick to respond, very courteous, very helpful and I can not do other than recommend them. I'm having a discussion with Wisconsins DMV about registering it because the local office said they could not register it as it did not appear on their "list" what ever that means. I got a reply from the central DMV immediately and they asked me to call them. Unfortunately I have great difficulty using a telephone after cancer surgeries removed my voice box so I replied to their email and sent them digital photos of all the tags and labels on the bike which states it meets all Federal requirements so there really is no reason it cannot be registered and I'm confident it will be okayed. All that said, SuperiorMotorSports gets a thumbs up from me so far. Every dealer has problems with customers at some point, I have no reason to believe Superior is not committed to customer care.
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[replyingto=trailheadmike]trailheadmike[/replyingto]THANK YOU! You truly made my day! I read all the stuff posted and decided to give the bike a shot. I do almost all of my riding in city traffic so high speed is not a great thing for me. Keeping up with and maneuvering through traffic is a necessity. I'm used to the cvt trannys and shifting will be a new thing for me but I'm sure I'll manage it ok. Now if I can just decide what color I want. I may have to buy 4 of them I'm pushing 70 years of age and I'm sure gonna look good on this one, maybe I'll get a young girlfriend........Nahhh that would likely kill me I'll keep posting on my experience with it. Thanks again guys!
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I'm looking a BMS Product from a dealer called killermotorsports.com No I did not make that up Q I wondered if anyone has heard of the dealer and if anyone knows anything of the quality of BMS products. I do not know the manufacturer of the bike but do not believe it's Znen. The bike I'm looking at is the BMS BI Metro XLT 110 scooter. It is a Honda copy and has a 110cc engine with a semi-automatic transmission. It does not look like our usual scoots, it looks more like an older moped or honda Thanks for any info available!
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Post by beerkeg on Aug 7, 2013 11:14:33 GMT -5
We have finally figured out the problem...or so we think. We found that there are speed sensors within the CDI that restrict the highest rpm of the engine and thus control the speed of the bike. It seems to sense the speed at both the front wheel where the speedometer is connected and within the CVT. Between the speed of 25 and 30 mph it retards the timing effectively stopping the engine as if we had pulled the plug. We were able to jumper the front connection and that allows the bike to rev as far as it wants on the stand, yet the other sensor is still shutting it down when under load in motion. We have been unable to find a way around that. We do not know if this is a defect within the cdi or if it was an engineered restriction. Surely there is a remedy but we can't find it. So I now have a $2200 moped that can only do 25. At this point she becomes a lake home rider and I will get another bike. I found one 150cc bike made by znen that uses a side kick stand that I could manage and another smaller 110cc bike by BMS which is a Honda copy, that one has a 4 speed semi automatic tranny. The size matters because I have lost so much weight and with it a lot of muscle that I cannot get back so getting a heavier bike up on the kick stand is a problem for me. I'm pushing 70 years of age and have had lots of health issues in the last 2 years that have left me weaker yet still wanting to ride. Last year I had a Honda CH80 scoot and could no longer park it. The final straw was when a young woman had to park it for me. I know nothing of BMS or ZNEN for quality. So unless a miracle happens the Benelli is pretty much a cooked goose. I will not invest any more money in it. Thanks again for all the input and efforts to help
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Post by beerkeg on Aug 6, 2013 8:58:49 GMT -5
Thank you Gentlemen! I have come to the conclusion that a different shop is the only solution for me. Since I am physically unable to do this kind of work anymore. No matter how much I want to, my body just cannot. I agree that it is very likely not the cdi since nothing electrical was changed and it's now more anemic than it was as a 50cc with the same cdi. There is no restriction in the variator, that was the first thing checked. Other riders get 45 mph out of this same model right out of the box so I doubt the variator needs to be changed. I did consider a variator with a slightly larger outside diameter which would increase the rpm to the clutch. I also considered that perhaps there is a way to change the gearing to use the additional punch from the larger bore. I'm pretty sure they would not have the piston in wrong as it's stamped right on top which side is to exhaust and they have 5 mechanics with experience. I just have to feel rather than think that it's likely a fuel issue. I have a list of 20 questions for them when I pick the bike up which I hope to do today. I suspect that I will get vague or nonsense answers but I hope to ferret out what they have done to it so we can begin to undo it. We know that the cdi controls timing and can certainly restrict engine speed which is the starting point for gearing or variator set up. Changing the weights would only affect how quickly she engages and changing clutch springs would affect how long it took to shift to higher speed. I don't think either of those is the issue here. She is not getting out of the 20's mph range. The last time I rode it I had the feeling it was bogging down due to being too rich and I thought possibly it was the auto choke or fuel enrichment valve as they call it. If that was not warmed to temp it would be trying to run too rich and choking off. One time she quit running on me before anything was done and I thought it might be electrical and that possibly I had switched the kill switch to off instead of hitting the turn signal switch, (same action, different hand) The bike sat for a few minutes and restarted. All else failing I will take her up to the summer cottage as a leisure rider around the lake where speed is not a factor. How ever it turns out, I'll post here and let you guys know the outcome. Thank you for all the great input. I agree with the consensus of opinion that they just don't know scooters. As they say on tv....stay tuned for the next exciting adventure!
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Post by beerkeg on Aug 1, 2013 13:32:38 GMT -5
One of the mechanics said it revved great on the stand but died under load. Seemed odd to me at the time but I was not there when he tried it. At one point they thought it was done, I went to pick her up and found it would not go past 25. My first thought was the auto choke but have no foundation for that. They checked and said it was pulling 35 ohms across the choke when the bike was off, and were going to replace the choke. Don't think they stayed with that idea though. I was told that the cdi was retarding the timing at 42 mph and it would drop back to 25 and then rev to 42 again. I don't believe it will even rev to 45 anymore. I never got much past 20 when I tested her. They say there are 9 connections to the cdi due to the alarm and remote start. I'm confused as to why it will not go past 25 now when it originally got close to 30 as a 49cc. I have no idea why they would have changed anything electrically to install the performance parts. Perhaps these guys have all been wrong in their diagnosis of the problem? Beyond my level of expertise for sure. They were trying to by pass the alarm and remote start to use a different cdi but could not do so. I will try to get a better grip on what she sound like on the stand versus under load when I get her home. They said they were delivering it which to me hinted that she may not even be running. It was running fine when I took her in, just limited to just under 30 mph and no restrictions in the variator or exhaust that I could see. Just under 30 top speed is dangerous around here as cars will run you right off the road trying to pass on either side. I'm still a bit doubtful about the cdi story too but these are well known and well regarded mechanics so far as I know.
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