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Post by bigmac on Jun 11, 2017 19:47:57 GMT -5
Near the end of a long ride (about 20 miles) my 50cc gy6 suddenly started to make a noise. Sounds like a rubbing/grinding noise. Luckily, I was less than a mile from home so it didn't run like this for very long. I didn't notice any difference in performance during this time.
I had a no spark issue about 175 miles ago which a new magneto and pick up coil fixed. I thought I had under tightened something during that job and it came loose causing the sound. However, everything was secure. Now I'm panicking at the thought of worn-out crankshaft bearings.
I watched this youtube video on how to locate noises on a gy6:
As the guy in the video suggests, I removed the CVT belt to reduce noise along with ruling out the clutch side of the CVT as the noise source.
Now, usually my starter motor cranks the engine over kind of slowly, especially on the first starting attempt. Then once the engine starts, it has a hard time idling until it's fully warmed up and even then it tends to stall at times. It's been this way for months and I assumed the starter motor had an issue and the carburetor had a dirty pilot jet.
When I started the engine without the CVT belt, it cranked over much faster, started easily and idled smoothly. actually, it idled a little too high, like the idle speed adjustment screw could be turned out some. As for the noise, still there but less noticeable and will fade away at about 2,900 rpm, granted that my scooter's tachometer is accurate.
It appears that when the belt is on, it puts enough load on the engine that it becomes hard for the starter to crank it over and even makes it difficult for the engine to stay on at low speed. Is this normal? Aside for the belt, I haven't inspected anything in the CVT. I've never taken it apart before so I don't know much about it, but maybe some of you here know all the parts in there and can determine which ones could possibly be making a noise similar to what I've described and possibly be putting extra load on the engine.
I'm hoping it's something with the CVT which is where the noise does seem to be coming from but I could be wrong and it could be a crankshaft problem. In any case, I am curious to know whether or not it's normal for the engine to start and run so much better without the CVT belt on. With the belt on, it's like a motorcycle with a clutch lever that can't be fully pulled in so it's in the friction zone while stopped making it necessary to ease on the throttle slightly to prevent stalling.
Scooter has slightly over 6,000 miles by the way.
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Post by bigmac on Dec 20, 2015 14:44:16 GMT -5
Turns out the vacuum operated fuel shutoff valve was the problem.
The shutoff valve's diaphragm broke, causing gas to get sucked down its vacuum line. I know it's bad, but I put on yet another vacuum operated fuel shutoff valve. I was able to get one for free from someone I know, so I took it. Now the engine can run at high speeds without beginning to act like it's running out of gas, so the previous shutoff valve must have been too restrictive.
The diaphragm broke at a friend's house, 17 miles away. It seemed normal when I arrived, but when I started the engine upon leaving, the engine surged way up, then stalled right afterwards. The scooter was able to crawl back home though.
The next day, I hooked a clear vacuum line to the shutoff valve and turned the engine over with the kick start lever. I watched as a lot of gas flowed into the vacuum line. Gas was even dripping off the bottom of the shutoff valve. I'm surprised it was able to run at all with that much gas being dumped into the engine.
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Post by bigmac on Nov 11, 2015 17:57:53 GMT -5
Once you do purchase JIS screwdrivers, you'll never want to touch your bike again with a regular Philip screwdriver.
Before, I'd feel stressed out about removing screws for the first time on my bikes. I'd be thinking, "Yup, going to be a disaster here. Hopefully screws like this are at the hardware store." Now no screw is ever a problem. No matter the amount of torque a screw needs to come loose, I can apply it without risking a strip. It's so reassuring to know when you're working on your bike.
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Post by bigmac on Nov 9, 2015 20:32:13 GMT -5
While browsing the comment section of a video on Youtube, I saw a comment saying that the Japanese Philip screws are different and need special Philip screwdrivers to be worked on properly. Curious, I looked into it and learned that the Japanese had developed their own "JIS" (Japanese Industrial Standard) screws and screwdrivers. These screws are marked with small dimples on their heads, as shown below: After looking these JIS Screwdrivers up on Amazon and seeing good reviews, I decided to order two of them, sizes P2 and P3. As I waited for my new screwdrivers to come in from Japan, my Chinese scooter carburetor flooded. I never opened the float bowl on this carburetor before, but had stripped two screws on my original carburetor when opening the float bowl. Seeing that the screws on the carburetor are marked with dimples, I decided to wait and put the JIS screwdrivers to the test when they arrived. Once the screwdrivers came, I had no problem opening the float bowl. Many people complain about soft metal screws on these Chinese scooter carburetors and the screws on mine were very tight, but I removed them all without damaging any of them. I was very satisfied with how well the screwdriver had preformed during that job. Now here is what really impressed me about these screwdrivers. When I went to remove and clean the CVT air filter on my Yamaha Zuma, I noticed that some of the CVT cover screws were extremely over tightened. The JIS screwdrivers I bought are also impact screwdrivers, so after some good hits with a rubber mallet, I got the stuck screws out and without damaging the heads. Once I got the CVT cover off, I just had to remove one last screw that holds the air filter in place. I tried turning it out by hand, no luck. I tried the impact feature, still won't move. I tried again but with some WD-40, still nothing was happening. Now this screw is either coming out or getting stripped. I grabbed the screwdriver handle with both hands as tightly as I could and started turning, using wrist and upper body strength. Suddenly, I heard a crack sound and felt movement. The screw had come loose and without damage. This screw had been painted black, and not even a little bit of paint on the inside of the head had come off. The tip of the screwdriver was also totally fine. I cannot recommend these screwdrivers enough. It seems impossible to strip a screw with them. They don't "cam-out" of the screw head even during the most extreme situations. I wish so bad I had known about these screwdrivers a long time ago. Perhaps many of you here already have heard of JIS screwdrivers, but in case not, I'd like to let you all know of them before more screws are stripped. Links to the two JIS Screwdrivers that I purchased: www.amazon.com/Vessel-Megadora-Impacta-P2x100-Screwdriver/dp/B003BI8HHQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1447116491&sr=8-2&keywords=vessel+impacta+screwdriverwww.amazon.com/Vessel-125943-P3x150-Impacta-Screwdriver/dp/B003BGTTSE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1447116491&sr=8-1&keywords=vessel+impacta+screwdriver
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Post by bigmac on Sept 18, 2015 20:02:39 GMT -5
Exactly. I view it no differently than having my car pushed or pulled to another spot while still in park. I was at that house again yesterday. There's enough unused space in their garage for a Honda Goldwing, but I'm not allowed to put my Zuma 125 inside? It's like going to someone's house with a nice coat on. You see a big coat closet in the house with lots of empty space inside. But after you put your coat in the closet, it's thrown into the kitchen where it could get food and drink spilled on it. Then you're told to not put your coat in the closet when you come to visit. It's just so unbelievably dumb. Some people never grow up, Bigmac. It's best to stay away from them as much as possible. Yeah, that seems to be the best option. Eventually my friend will move back out of his mother's. In the meantime, I'm just going to not visit him as much. I was getting tired of that place anyways. Right as I first enter the house, two dogs are always barking in my face so loudly, I get a headache. Then everyone starts shouting "SHUT UP", which only makes it even more annoyingly loud. I look outside and see a stereotypical mixed ethnic group of teens wearing tank tops walking around. Meanwhile, my bike is baking on the blacktop driveway with sunlight so hot, you can fry eggs on its seat. Plus, there's no shaded areas for it. Yeah, I don't feel like going there as much.
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Post by bigmac on Sept 17, 2015 1:09:40 GMT -5
That's what made it unforeseeable. For three years he didn't care if I used the garage. I'd even ask him whenever he was around if where I had parked was okay, and he would always reply, "Yeah, that there's fine".
My friend recently told me that his mother and stepdad have been having marital problems for sometime now. From what I've heard, the two of them are so irritable that they'll complain about anything and everything. I assume that's why he suddenly changed his attitude about the garage.
While preventing damage from sunlight is a concern of mine, it wasn't my only concern on that particular day. When I arrived, my friend's stepdad wasn't home, his sister wasn't home, his mother was leaving soon and the two of us were also leaving soon. No one was going to be there and that neighborhood isn't very nice. There would've been a real chance of someone throwing a rock at my scooter or stealing it, had it been left out.
Like I said in my first post, they usually leave their cars out. Twice, they had CDs and electronics stolen from their cars. They had rocks thrown through the front windows of their house several times. Years ago, I had my car in their driveway. I looked out a window from inside the house and saw a teenager approaching my car. Luckily, my friend's sister happened to be outside at the time. The teen walked off right after noticing her. I have no doubt he was about to vandalize my car in someway.
In fact, when I first started riding, my friend would advise me to keep my scooter in the garage, even while at his parent's house. I remember him saying, "you should put it inside, we don't want to take any chances". I had my $300 Chinese scooter at that time. No way would I feel comfortable leaving my $2,100 Yamaha home alone outside in that neighborhood.
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Post by bigmac on Sept 13, 2015 14:35:44 GMT -5
As for your friend's stepdad, 'mac, he's more than an idiot. What he did was the same as pushing a car out of the way. Exactly. I view it no differently than having my car pushed or pulled to another spot while still in park. I was at that house again yesterday. There's enough unused space in their garage for a Honda Goldwing, but I'm not allowed to put my Zuma 125 inside? It's like going to someone's house with a nice coat on. You see a big coat closet in the house with lots of empty space inside. But after you put your coat in the closet, it's thrown into the kitchen where it could get food and drink spilled on it. Then you're told to not put your coat in the closet when you come to visit. It's just so unbelievably dumb.
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Post by bigmac on Sept 12, 2015 0:35:41 GMT -5
Wow, seems like someone has a hate for scooters. How hard is it to move a scooter out of the way? Yeah, I was angry to say the least. I didn't express my emotions then. But the next day, after having looked my scooter over for any possible damage, I told my friend that his step father and his buddy are careless idiots for having moved my scooter like that. Luckily, my Zuma didn't appear to have any damage, however, they now have scrap marks on their garage floor from dragging my 269lb scooter like that. Spandi - I checked reviews on Amazon for that half cover. Everyone seems to be happy with it. I like how it can be put on right after a ride since it doesn't hang down far enough to touch against the hot exhaust. mftic - Does 303 need to be wiped on to apply? I've been searching for something that can be sprayed on then left to dry. Not only would it be faster than wiping every spot by hand with a cloth, but it would be much easier for doing the hard to reach places.
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Post by bigmac on Sept 11, 2015 1:54:00 GMT -5
Do you guys worry about damage sunlight can cause to your vehicles?
A friend of mine is currently living at his mother's house. The house has a big two car garage but they often leave their cars in the driveway. I've had the same car for about 8 years now. During the first few years, I didn't have a garage for it. The driver's side, which saw the most sunlight, is a wreck now. The trim around the windows is all dried, cracked and falling off, while the passenger side still looks pretty good.
My scooters have rubber seals, hoses and other parts that sunlight can damage so whenever I visit my friend at his mother's house, I park my scooter in their big garage with lots of empty space. One day while I was there, my friend's step father did some work in the garage. Well, apparently my Yamaha Zuma was in the way, so him and his friend just dragged my beloved scooter about 4 to 5 feet backwards while it was on its center stand.
Now I'm told I need to leave my scooter in the driveway whenever I visit. I told these people that I don't like leaving my scooter in hot summer sunlight for hours on end. It's like they don't understand how sunlight can fade and wear down a vehicle.
I sometimes really wonder if hardly anyone else thinks about this issue. Most people I know don't buy their vehicles, but instead finance them and then get a new one after a few years. Perhaps they just don't care about keeping their cars and bikes looking good for years to come.
Also, if any of you here use products to protect your vehicles from sunlight, please share what you use. I've been using Turtle Wax F21 Super Protectant and STP Son of a Gun Protectant. Both products leave plastic, rubber and vinyl looking like new and clean out of the factory. I even noticed a scuff mark on the seat of my Zuma had disappeared after using the Turtle Wax product on it.
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Post by bigmac on Jul 29, 2015 20:16:35 GMT -5
I was wondering, does anyone know how narrow of an opening a vacuum operated fuel shutoff valve has when suction is applied? I'm sure it varies between each shutoff valve, but do you think it's extremely small?
I'm curious about the odds of a clog occurring in one of them since debris I've seen in gas cans and gas tanks don't look much larger than grains of sand.
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Post by bigmac on Jul 21, 2015 13:26:05 GMT -5
You're suppose to buy a new one each time? I have the stock filter. It's a foam type of filter. The owner's manual says to wash it by hand with soap and water every 1,000 miles and oil it with motor oil afterwards, then replace it every 5,000 miles.
I haven't noticed any issues with cleaning foam filters instead of replacing them.
My Briggs & Stratton lawnmower has a similar type of foam air filter. That filter sometimes gets dirty to the point at which the mower begins to run rich, but it goes back to running properly after cleaning the filter with soap and water.
My Yamaha Zuma also has a foam filter for its CVT. Owner's manual says to clean it with a solvent every 2,000 miles.
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Post by bigmac on Jul 18, 2015 13:18:05 GMT -5
Alright. I'll look at some of the manual shutoff valves then.
I just did an oil change and air filter cleaning because I'm pushing 4,000 miles now. I really don't want to do work of any kind to it until the 5,000 mark, especially since my whole headlight fiasco. I've had this vacuum operated valve for about two years now, so I can live with it until then.
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Post by bigmac on Jul 17, 2015 14:02:48 GMT -5
I always assumed it would be better to have the fuel filter before the shutoff valve to prevent a clog. My scooter came with the filter after the shut off valve and I never changed it. Perhaps I will get some fuel line and change that setup in the near future.
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Post by bigmac on Jul 17, 2015 12:47:20 GMT -5
About two years ago, I bought a new vacuum operated fuel shutoff valve because my old one appeared to have some gas leaking into its vacuum line. My fuel filter has clear, see through plastic and is between the shutoff valve and carburetor. Before getting this new shutoff valve, I would see that the fuel filter was always full of gas after every ride. However, with this new one, the filter is always around half full after every ride.
When I turn the engine over by hand with the kick start lever, I do see drops of gas fall into the filter. I even turned it over until the filter was completely full without an air pocket inside, but it went back to being partially full after the engine started.
Is this normal for these vacuum operated fuel shutoff valves?
I think this shutoff valve is being too restrictive and not allowing gas to flow freely enough. Also, I noticed if the engine speed is high for about a minute or more, it starts to act like it's running out of gas.
These shutoff valves are cheap, so I could easily get another one. I just want to find out if this one is indeed not working normally before getting another one.
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Post by bigmac on Jul 17, 2015 0:37:03 GMT -5
The owner's manual for my Yamaha Zuma says to change the motor oil every 2,000 miles and to also check the valves every 2,000 miles. The owner's manual for my Chinese scooter says to change the motor oil every 1,000 miles, but nothing about when to check the valves. From experience, I'd say it's probably best to check the valves with each oil change, so about every 1,000 miles. Plus, anytime the cover comes off, there is a chance for dirt and debris to get inside, so changing the oil afterwards will help flush out anything that may have gotten in there during the valve check.
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