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Post by oldchopperguy on May 18, 2017 15:11:30 GMT -5
Terrilee, My Missus' old cat is not doing well, but we're doing all we can for him. We KNOW how much we can love our cats. They are indeed like little children who never grow up. They give the unconditional love we seldom receive from fellow humans, and a little piece of us goes with each one when they pass on. Remember the good times you had, and let them rest in peace. Share your love with new kitty pals, and carry on... Even the cats' own kin only grieve a short time. Then, they must get on with life. If not, they will suffer and waste away. You love your cats, and trust me, THEY know it. We'll be praying for you to have peace now that they're gone to their eternal home, and that you will be a blessing to some new kitties who need your love soon. Be blessed, Betty and Leo
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 17, 2017 22:06:25 GMT -5
HMMMM....
Exactly the way I feel... LOL! Have a bone! About that time, I often wore bell-bottoms and platform shoes to go with the hair... The "anti-Brooks Bros." executive uniform on steroids!
Yeah, back in the day, there were a "plethora" of little 2-strokes, and they definitely had a near-irresistible allure! SO simple, SO cheap and offered SO much performance for their size... All the way from the diminutive Yamaha "Twin Jet" 100cc 2-stroke TWIN, through off-brand 125-175cc 2-strokes, through the Yamaha and other 250-350cc versions, right on up to the crazy Kawasaki 2-stroke triples from 500-750cc "Widow-Makers"... Somebody should repop some of these!
Bridgestone offered a number of small twins, Hodaka if I recall had numerous dirt-bikes including one of my favorite "models"... The COMBAT WOMBAT... Gotta love those early Asian names...
My absolute favorites were the early Yamaha 2-stroke twins. 250's, with huge cylinder and head-fins, oval tank, simple exhausts... Just cool vintage 2-stroke daily-drivers. The look is what I liked best. The round, oval, very "utilitarian" design... Sorta like the old Harley and Indian flatheads, only Japanese 2-strokes.
When makers began to square-off the cylinder and head-fins, and "modernize" them as they went to 300-350cc they were obviously better, but lost that rudimentary look I liked so much. My Suzuki was one of the "modern" cosmetically styled ones and ran great, but just didn't look as cool as those early Yamaha twins with the big, fat cylinders and heads.
Asian, European, or American, I just love the "first attempts" before the stylists "modernized" them.
Just me, but I couldn't resist the free Suzuki!
Ride safe!
Leo
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 17, 2017 20:35:05 GMT -5
That was a LOT of fluffy hair! That's awesome you could fix up the bike. >'Kat Kat,
Yeah, Afros were big with white guys back then... Musta been all that MoTown music we listened to and loved... Anyway, in Chicago, most everybody was either Black, or Polish... And our Black pals had cooler hair... LOL! Of course, as a little nipper, I was a big fan of "Bozo's Circus"... Maybe I was just emulating one of my heroes: BOZO! I also adored "The Lone Ranger" but wearing a mask was too over-the-edge... EEEWWWW!
And, that little 2-stroke bike was actually easier to fix up than a Chinese scooter! Few parts, everything out in the open... Easy fix, lots of fun!I'm still going through that old box of stuff, and found another shot of the little Suzuki, with my dear Dad onboard. He LOVED that little toy, and sometimes rode it with me on my Electra Glide (You can actually see just a bit of the old Hog on the right of the picture).That was in my home garage... What a house! Wish I had it back to sell... 8,000 s/f of opulent luxury I paid all of $56K for... Last year I checked on it and it's valued at just over $1-Million... and today, we're stuck in a rotting trailer-house on Social Security. How the mighty have fallen... Time is not always kind.image hosting These pix are from my mid-twenties, far removed from my chopper-building days. I was, with my partner, building a fantastic advertising agency. We had a LOT more money back then, than brains... But little time to enjoy it. Some of my favorite memories are my Dad on that little Suzuki, me on my Hog and a Sunday ride to the woods to share an afternoon of his WWII adventures riding a Harley 45 in the Philippines, Tommygun in saddle-scabbard, through jungles, smashing over logs, dodging enemy snipers, bringing vital messages from the front lines to headquarters. Time does fly, and we're only here for a very brief instant in eternity. Ride safe, and enjoy making memories!Leo (just a tad teary-eyed) in Texas
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 16, 2017 18:41:50 GMT -5
LOL! No tease intended...
My "PostImage" site where I store my pix suddenly won't copy pix to insert in the thread. Something at their end. I'll try again and see what's up. I've used the site for many years with no trouble since it allows a LOT of storage for free, and its tools are user-friendly.
I hope it's just temporary since all my pix are there... Even my infamous "how-to" on my 2-stroke pipe setup for my old GY6 150 that has SO ticked-off a member who tells me it can't work.
More later if I can get the pix working again. The old Polaroid has awful resolution, but is a neat piece of nostalgia of me on my old Suzuki 250 2-stroke "barn-find". Actually, it came from a pal's business parking lot where it had been run over after laying sadly on its side for a couple of months... Turned out to be a REALLY fun general-purpose ride.
There are so very few pix of me and my bikes from the old days, I'm always happy to find one!
Ride safe,
Leo
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 15, 2017 20:24:32 GMT -5
Check this out... Eureka! Got it working. The PostImage site totally re-did their site, and I figured out how it works! Please forgive the lousy picture quality... It's the best my Dad's old Polaroid would do...As I mentioned, this little buzz-bomb laid in a buddy's business parking lot for months on her side. THAT bothered me, so I asked what was the story?Seems it appeared one morning and sat for weeks. Finally, somebody knocked it over and then somebody ran over both wheels, bending them up beyond repair. So... I took it away, making my pal happy to have the derelict, corroding eyesore out of his lot. I just HATE to see a bike go to waste!First, I propped her up on her broken wheels, cleaned her up, put some gas/oil mix I the tank and in just a few kicks, had her running like a champ! Boy, those 2-strokes are mighty simple and forgiving! I then checked the owner's status. It was stolen (surprise, SURPRISE...). The owner didn't want it. He didn't have a title either... Duh... So after a few days of dealing with the Illinois DOT I got a new "Homemade Vehicle" title. No insurance needed back then. A trip to the local "Café Racer" shop and a few dead Benjamins later, she had brand-new rims and Pirelli tires. Another trip to a neighbor's junk-pile yielded a rusty pair of chamber pipes off a wrecked Yamaha 250 racer. I made a pretty slick seat with a plywood skeleton, padded and upholstered in Naugahyde, with a taillight built in... (One of my neatest and easiest mods!)After shakedown rides, with drag-bars and homemade turn-signals I was amazed at just what a sweet little ride she was! Nimble as a cockroach and quick as Bill Clinton at a Girl-Scout retreat... I cleaned her up well, then repaired and painted the beat up frame and tank, finished the pipes and badly corroded engine aluminum with matte-black "GunKote" and DANG! I had a fun little bar-hopper! Incidentally, this was the first bike I ever rode with a hydraulic disk front brake... THAT little perk I REALLY loved! Still do! Imagine! A bike that would actually STOP from highway speed in less than a full county... What would they think of next? Maybe a COMPUTER for your home or business? Or, a portable phone you could take with you? Naah... That'll never happen... LOL! These featherweight "250 2-smokers" were different animals... Back then, some Japanese makers tried to make cheap, cool and fast little bikes for the entry-level rider wanting something cheap and simple, but faster than a Triumph 650 or a Harley Sportster. Well, TECHNICALLY these did just that, but... The engine had somewhere around 30hp and with 6 gears it actually WOULD do the quarter-mile in just over 13 seconds, at over 100-mph. (I doubt the bike weighed much over 200 pounds...) Think a Chinese 50cc with 30 ponies and six gears... BUT... That motor was the most rpm-sensitive, high-horsepower, low-torque ride I ever encountered... Yeah, I could quickly get her to -mph on a LEVEL road, with NO wind and cruise near 100. BUT... Add a little headwind, or slight uphill, and she'd bog down to 65, and only constant up and down-shifting, keeping the revs at the "sweet-spot" around 9,500 if I recall would allow even a 70-mph cruise. Just to maintain speed it was shift 6-5-4... 4-3... 3-4-5... wind stops, back up to 6th again. The shifting NEVER ended...Still, most of my riding was in-town where she'd definitely do 0-60 in 4 seconds... And I still weighed 295 pounds in that old picture. If I wanted comfort on the highway, I rode my 1970 Electra-Glide. Helmets had yet to become popular... Check out that magnificent red "Afro"... I figured that would absorb impact... Yeah, right!Enough reminiscing... The little buzzer WAS a lot fun, and seeing a 25-year-old "me" brings back some fond memories of making something neat out of discarded trash... Ride safe!Leo (pondering the motor in my Kymco being the same size as the Suzuki...) in Texas
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 15, 2017 19:29:30 GMT -5
Well, as you say, it is my prerogative... and it works well. And, by the way, the little pigtail pipe and stinger muff is a full 7/8" I.D. which makes virtually NO degrading backpressure on a 10 c.i.d. 150. One more time, it's essentially a straight-pipe with better scavenging and less noise... All the way from a smooth idle to 10K rpm.
I hope the "Pipe Gods" don't laugh TOO loud without doing their homework. While I'm ONLY interested in using 2-stroke chamber pipes as simple megaphone/reverse-cone MUFFLERS, serious 4-stroke researchers using today's technology are now getting promising results (with 4-stroke engines in which both intake and exhaust are open simultaneously for an instant) using these devices as true CHAMBER PIPES as on a 2-stroke.
On certain racing 4-strokes, chamber pipes CAN be tuned to simulate in a smaller way, the same effect as with a 2-stroke with similar "pull-through/push-back" air-fuel charge management.
So while they're laughing, you might have them get on the net and research the subject and they'll find the chamber pipes are quite commonly used on both factory and custom scooters for good all-round street driving, and NOW, even show promise on competition 4-strokes, performing similarly to true 2-stroke-style chamber pipes tuned for max performance at a specific rpm.
I have to chuckle myself, when I perfect and use something for 50 years and I'm considered an out-of-touch, over-the-hill old fart. When others stand on their 50 year history, they're considered "gods"...
As with you, I'm done with this whole argument. If you again doubt what I'm reporting here, research the net. It's out there.
Ride safe,
Leo
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 15, 2017 19:12:40 GMT -5
HeHeHe... I miss that show! It's not on anymore in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. I really enjoyed the variety of characters in the 'Possum Lodge"...
I suppose the cast was just getting too old and wanting to retire. It WAS funny!!!
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 14, 2017 21:32:52 GMT -5
As "Red Greene" says: "We're pullin' for ya'... After all, we're all in this together".
Stay safe,
Betty & Leo
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 10, 2017 22:01:14 GMT -5
Terrilee,
We do indeed pray for your welfare... We never met, but I think you must be pretty swell. Deep-thinker anyway for sure. Have a bone and an electronic hug... And HEY! If YOU are a Native American Indian, YOU should have some VERY special privileges available from the government. Do check it out! Could be you can get special treatment on housing, meds, all sorts of goodies! DEFINITELY worth investing some time... Maybe check with a civil rights lawyer. The rewards might make up for some of the grief suffered in the past... And you might think about moving to Texas... In the Lone Star State, being bi-polar is considered a normal condition... Well, almost... This IS the state that originated the defense for murder of: "...the guy jus' needed killin'..." LOL!
Stay safe, be blessed and make life's lemons into lemonade!Leo in Texas PS: Chrissy should be OK. These things can sit a long time and still run well with a little cleaning out and tinkering... and here's my current ride... Old, 18K miles on her clock (original owner says she's been from New York to LA, and Canada to Mexico, all near WOT riding 2-up with luggage!) but rock-solid and one of the few 250's as small and nimble as a Chinese 150... For that reason, they weren't popular, but for this old geezer, it's the bomb! Like a 150 that will hit 80... Now that I'm decades away from big bikes, these little scooters DO get into one's blood!The whitewalls, saddlebags and fishtail exhaust are a tribute to my "Harley roots". And, since this pic was taken, I've added super-bright LED driving lights (since nearly pulling a "Kamikaze" on a dark curb...) and of course the infamous "illuminated swan". I found it on eBay and I'm sure it's one I had as a kid on a '50 Chevy!!! It's SO thoroughly retro-tacky that even kid crotch-rocket jockeys think it's cool, and ask where they can get one. go figger... LOL! Just a little piece of nostalgia from my youth... After you're 70, you can do that stuff, and plead "senility"...
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 10, 2017 20:56:36 GMT -5
I know chamber pipes on 4-strokes are not COMMON. But they do exist, engineered by both amateurs and pros... Below, are some threads from sites featuring chamber pipes on 4-strokes._________________________________________________ Chamber pipes used in rally cars... Copied from enginetips.com 4-stroke chamber exhaust: Artsi (Automotive) (OP) 26 Sep 09 10:23 I spotted an additional exhaust runner resonance chamber on BMW 450cc motocross bike engine, see provided link. I have tried to wrap my head around the design function of said chamber with no results. This does not seem to be an anti-reversion chamber. I have however seen similar chambers on 4-cylinder naturally aspirated rally car engines. Chambers are there to even out torque curve. They're connecting cylinders 1-2 together, and 3-4 together (if my memory serves me right). Would this BMW factory racing exhaust chamber serve same function? Junior37c (Mechanical) answer: 27 Sep 09 16:53 My understanding from having run some simulations on those MX motors is that it's just there to smoothen the resonance action across the RPM band. Smoothen out the power delivery.
This is EXACTLY the results I obtained on my old Xingyue, and on numerous 4-stroke flatheads on our pit-bikes at the kart tracks in the early 1960's
Four-Stroke Expansion Chambers copied from thumpertalk.com: By mikekay, Posted January 15, 2005 the answer is YES!you CAN design 4 stroke pipes to extract performance....two ways to do it. 1) the FMF design as posted above. 2) Megaphone design. As used on F1 cars. a pipe that slowly expands in size right up to the muffler. If you ever get to look at Team Hondas Baja 1000 winning 650R note the custom made megaphone mid section...no one offers that for sale...yet. Not sure if anyone has combined the two technologies... Neither will give you something as rad as a 2 smoke hit--but both will give added performance over the current total crap 4 stroke pipes on the market. Many road racing and drag racing four strokes use exhausts with straight exhaust headers, followed by a tapered conical "megaphone" with gradually increasing diameter capped by a reverse cone on the end. Megaphone exhausts are the four stroke equivalent of an expansion chamber, in that they are tuned to utilize the pressure pulses of the exhaust flow to increase exhaust scavenging and HP. I believe this scavenging effect is tuned to a specific rpm range, the megaphone may reduce power somewhat outside the tuned range. Some dirtbike exhausts surely utilize megaphone desigh principles. The HP benefit for fourstrokes is likely less than two strokes. www.mc-land.no/exhaust/muzzy_drag_race.htm If you would like to get a bit technical, check this out: www.cafefoundation.org/aprs/EPG%20PART%20IV.pdf Aren't you glad you asked? :cry:OK, there are a few public thread examples of EXACTLY what I'm talking about. And I PROMISE you that if you could bolt on that little stainless chamber pipe in my thread onto your nice scoot, it would perform every bit as well, or better than the nice performance setup you now have.
With that old thread of my setup, I was NOT interested in racing, or any sporting use. I simply recreated what I did 55 years ago at the track on our pit bikes and it worked BEAUTIFULLY on my street-150, just as I expected it to. I thought others wanting a good-running, AFORDABLE setup for their 150 might enjoy trying it. (An additional benefit is a BIG reduction in in-sprung weight on the rear suspension; enough to make a noticeable difference in handling, especially on a washboard surface.I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. I have a problem with you demeaning me and calling me a liar over things I have done and shared with members. I wish you could have been there when my then gal-friend Janice "the Flying Squirrel" ran my chopper in the mid tens at over 140... sans all but her skivvies, laying on the tank, shifting no-clutch with her left hand on the shifter... Yeah, it happened, and nobody cares except that it's a neat, fun true story of long ago that would never happen today. I'm very impressed with your escapades and I'd believe you without the pix... This is a fun and mildly educational forum, and most threads are honest. We're not building record-breaking rides, just making the best of our scoots, and that chamber pipe on my old GY6 worked GREAT. What I object to is your extremely demeaning criticism of things I've done, and others have enjoyed reading about, without even knowing me. The chamber pipes on alky dragsters I saw in a magazine years back. I could not find current info on them. Apparently they never caught on, but the article showed figures that they outperformed traditional zoomie headers by a good margin. However, the forum posts I harvested above should show you that I'm NOT the only guy to find out they work, and work well.
The blue copy above (Many road racing and drag racing four strokes use exhausts with straight exhaust headers, followed by a tapered conical "megaphone" with gradually increasing diameter capped by a reverse cone on the end.) Refers to the alky dragsters I read about. Maybe the misunderstanding would b made clear by re-naming the devices. On a 2-stroke, they ARE expansion/contraction chambers. On a 4-stroke, they ARE free-flow, scavenging mufflers. On a little 150, the stinger portion does little or nothing save make it a tad quieter. The pigtail pipe is not small enough to create adverse back-pressure. If I was to run that same pipe on a larger motor, like my 250, I would remove the pigtail and stinger, and cut the end of the chamber's reverse-cone to open it to an inch or so. Then I'd have the exact same setup as referred to concerning piped "road racing and drag racing four strokes" above.
How about burying the hatchet and having a little understanding that what either of us posts is truthful? Other members would appreciate that, and those who try my chamber conversion will be impressed with the results. Sorry about the jury comment, that creep SHOULD rot in jail. My comment reflected your complete lack of willingness to listen to someone relating a truth you disagree with. Have a bone...Sincerely, Leo in Texas
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 10, 2017 13:19:50 GMT -5
Plenty of problems, but many blessings too... Old age is really taking a toll on the missus, and more than I like to admit with me, too. Our cars both died a few months back, and our sweet daughter bought us a nice used Honda! Never asked for it, she just was moved to help.
The old trailer-house is falling apart, but is still a roof over us... And our "new" old '07 Kymco scooter keeps on going like the Energizer Bunny... EVERYTHING in life should be as dependable as that old Kymco 250...
Our two old cats have seen better days, with Betty's having a lot of health issues, but with prayer and TLC he seems to be getting a little better. Betty's meds cost most all our Social Security income but we'll get by a day at a time...
All in all, things could be better, but are pretty typical for these dismal times. It just could be that our new president has what it takes to jerk America's leash up short, give her a solid kick in the butt reality check, and get our country back on the right track... It's a BIG job, but he may be the one to correct the mess the last SEVERAL presidents got us into!
We're praying for you to get a home, a car, and another scooter if Chrissy is not still around!
Stay safe, and STAY OUT OF TROUBLE... LOL!
Betty & Leo in Texas
PS: OOPS... Just noticed you were a Hillary fan. No offense... We can't agree on everything... LOL!
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 10, 2017 13:03:11 GMT -5
I'm going with Keaton too, though watching "mild mannered" Harold Loyd in "Safety Last" hanging from the hands of a giant clock way up on a high building (with no safety gear, stunt doubles, or CGI) still scares me. And is in my opinion the most macho (or at least fearless) of the silent film stars. I really like both these masters... Can't pick one. Spandi... For decades Hollywood has wondered about that clock scene with Harold Loyd! Just recently, some ancient original footage was discovered, and how he did it safely was discovered, and it's SO simple that it is a testament to his true genius! The clock tower was mocked-up on the roof of a building... But Harold hung off the clock only a few feet off the roof of the building! It was shot so the roof was out of camera except for some of the newly-found out-takes! That doesn't take any of Harold Loyd's "macho" away... He did many VERY dangerous stunts. But his creative genius allowed him to film things TOO dangerous even for him... That clock scene was SO believable because it was filmed for real, at the height of the surrounding buildings and the effect was phenomenal! I only know about this because it was featured a while ago on "The Movie Channel" on a special featuring the genius of silent-era actors... Very cool!
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 10, 2017 12:44:32 GMT -5
Aus,
Welcome to the site!
All the above posts are good advice. There are SO many Chinese scoots out there. I'm wracking my old brain to remember where I've seen the Hornet... If I recall, it is one that resembles a small sport-bike (crotch-rocket...) which is pretty neat.
I'm an old-school biker from the 1960's, who's gone to scooters in my old age due to arthritis. I rode a Chinese 150 for 8 years and liked it a lot. However, it did exhibit all the typical early Chinese scooter bugs. I worked them out and then it was great transportation. Do be ready to do at least SOME wrenching, although it's new enough that it shouldn't need nearly as much tweaking as my old 2006 Xingyue did... LOL!
If you can make do with a 45-50-mph top cruising speed, a 150 will do fine. If you need to go 55+ to safely run with traffic, you will need something bigger. In my case, local surface streets got redone, with 45-50 speed limits where traffic regularly runs 60+.
That prompted me to trade in the old 150 on a used Kymco 250 which will run 65 all day long, and top out around 80, but absolute top speed is not "cruising" speed. I got my 150 running it's absolute best, which meant a top-speed of 62-mph on the flat, with no headwind. Still, 45-50 was the best "cruising" speed I could count on with hills and wind. A 10 cubic-inch engine can only do just so much...
That said, the price sounds good. I would definitely want to know why a basically new scoot with no miles on it is for sale... There MIGHT be a problem of some sort; mechanical issue, title/licensing issue, etc. Just do your homework and be sure you don't spend your money on something that looks like a bargain, but may not be.
Hopefully, the original owner simply bought it and lost interest, or something similar. It happens!
A GY6 150 is a great way to get started on 2-wheels! I rode Harleys and other big bikes for 55 years, and I still have a soft-spot in my heart for the little Chinese scoots. They provide a lot of transportation for the money.
Plenty of members here to give you advice if needed.
Best wishes on whatever ride you end up with!
Ride SAFE!
Leo in Texas
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 9, 2017 23:11:52 GMT -5
I never got a top secret clearance. They said I could get one if I moved to Yuma for 3 years. I would have enjoyed living in Yuma, as I had just returned from Saudi Arabia. However, my wife would have refused, and stayed in SoCal. Another opportunity missed. Wheelbender, Trust me, I know the hoops you need to jump through for those coveted clearances... I was in Karlsruhe, Germany at the time, attached to the 7th Special Forces, in psychological warfare. As luck would have it, our unit was a repository for some nuclear weapons. As such, we had the corresponding nuclear codes, today called the "football". Anyone with access to the codes had to have a COSMIC clearance (above Top Secret back then) ours being COSMIC/CRYPTO designating access to actual geographical targets. Pretty spooky stuff. To get the clearance, I went through a whirlwind background check, GOING BACK 3 GNERATIONS! The FBI and Army Intelligence showed me things about my ancestors even I didn't know. (I have an obscure ancestor who married a Native American Indian who was at the time a member of a tribe which had not yet made peace with the government) That fact almost kept me from getting the clearance! Cheesh... I kept that clearance even after leaving that post, and I'm still proud today of the credibility it carried.
It still looks good on a resume, even though anybody younger than 60 or so will be quick to point out that today, "Top Secret" is the highest "normal" clearance... True. But that was then.
This whole thread is beginning to smell, and it's not the spirit the site is built on. I'm done with it. I have more to worry about than an exhaust mod that I found to be great... I am 70, I'm starting to go blind, my Wife's meds now take more than my entire Social Security income and I'd like to keep my participation in the site friendly. It's been that way for 8 years and this is the first time anyone has turned on me. It's sad this thread came to a "he say-she say" tribute to total disrespect because of a simple post of mine which I had hoped might help when asked about the exhaust.
Ride safe,
And think twice before trying to give helpful replies. No good deed goes unpunished...
Leo in Texas
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 9, 2017 20:28:08 GMT -5
Pistonguy:
I'm sorry but I got a tad busy over the last 50 years. I have NO memorabilia from my teen years except for one pic of the old Hog which appears in several posts.
Anything I post is true, and only for the enjoyment of fellow members, not to prove anything. In the military, I held a COSMIC clearance (and yes, THAT was BEFORE it became a NATO designation, with "TOP SECRET" now being the highest US level unless you're a "Yankee White" nuclear-football guardian...so don't bother calling me out on that) and you don't get that level of security if you're a bullshitter.
I like CONVERSATION, you like CONFRONTATION... You and I will never agree on anything, and that's fine. It's a free country. I just can't imagine anyone so quick to call a total stranger whom you know nothing about, a liar.
And all this venom from you simply because I posted a friendly reply to your inquiry about my old Chinese scoot's exhaust... CHEESH! I'm too old for this.
Have a great life and enjoy being right all the time, while demeaning others you know nothing about. I pity the guy for whose trial you ever serve on a jury...
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