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Post by chasedunfee on Mar 27, 2013 17:39:02 GMT -5
So I recently had the rare problem of a fouled spark boot. Although I pulled out all but a small patch of hair trying to figure it out, I did.
Then we realized ok well if we have fire now we have to have gas, and the carb is surely stuck up with garbage after sitting up for about half a year. So we cleaned the jets one proved particularly difficult but we got it. I was so excited one step closer every moment, soon I would be back on the road. Then I tried to start it. The electric starter just spun, and didn't engage how it was supposed to. Damnit so close...
So I was using a car battery the whole time. After the fact I was told this is a no-no because it burns up the bendix? the thing that engages the starter. So when I took it off, the cap of the starter that is, i messed with the kickstart and now it acts sticky like it doesnt wanna go back to home position, but if i pull it back it will stay. So now my starter is basically F****D i believe. I don't even know if my carb is clean because really i need the electric starter to get some gas going in the carb.. This thing is wearing me thin. It is one problem after another after another after another after another afte...... you get the point...
Is my starter fried? Whats the cheapest fix? Any good carb cleaning videos for TaoTao 50cc Chinese made POSes to make sure i got all of it. Could i pull the carb off and soak it in gas to do what carb cleaner does? Anyone have a gun?.... I needed this thing running so long ago...
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Post by chasedunfee on Mar 25, 2013 20:11:44 GMT -5
Hey everyone remember me? I finally figured it out. it was what i said it was but the scoot store shop owner said it wasn't. the ignition coil. how did we miss that? Because i was stupid and didn't want shocked because being shocked pisses me off. so me being to high and mighty to get shocked got my now ex girlfriend to guinea pig for me. so we had power to the ignition coil. had power with boot unscrewed and wires exposed had power with small socket stuck where the plug goes with the boot screwed in. It was good so what was the problem once you plugged the spark plug in? A rare problem of the spark plug not making connection with the boot no matter how well you screwed and pushed it in. oh yeah.. good job Chinese peice of made scooter so a new ignition coil later and? Houston we have a nice strong blue arc  .. unfortunately its still not running cause i was stupid and let gas sit in it. so now we are cleaning the carb but one jet is paticularly clogged so we are letting it sit in gas... so yeah thank you sooo much everyone for your immediate help at the time thank you all so much but it was just a stupid problem no one could guess cause i was afraid of electricity but oh well... /endthread |
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Post by chasedunfee on Mar 9, 2013 17:34:13 GMT -5
Sorry for disappearing yesterday after you all tryed to help, just let me know what i need to test now cause at this point I am completely out of ideas and dont have the money to get it fixed. The scooter shop up the street said they would look at it(not a guarantee fix it or parts or anything just a maybe) for 200 dollars. So thank you to anyone and everyone that helps even if it just makes me think i understand again just to find out i dont have the slightest clue. Thank you all very much
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Post by chasedunfee on Mar 9, 2013 17:28:42 GMT -5
I got the reading by having the key in the on position there is no voltage AC or DC it read minute amounts but it could have just been me moving or something I have a pretty good meter its my gpas who works on arcade games
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Post by chasedunfee on Mar 9, 2013 17:18:22 GMT -5
tvnacmanNo I dont ACv or DCv, Unplugged or plugged to the CDI what does this mean. I saw earlier up when Alleyoop said to do it I was preoccupied with other things and forgot, but does this mean the problem isnt even in the traditional 4 spots of fire being the problem? Stator/CDI/Ignition/Spark?? I have been in the wrong system this whole time?
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Post by chasedunfee on Mar 9, 2013 16:31:37 GMT -5
this is picture three of three Attachments:
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Post by chasedunfee on Mar 9, 2013 16:30:37 GMT -5
tvnacmanBut mine is a 4th of that and my newest little theory although i dont know anything about it really is that the cdi got fried and so he bought a new one but fried it to so what could be frying the CDI's what could cause it to run a 4th a mile then never have cranked again. I really wanna have this figured out by monday night so tuesday when the scooter store opens i just have to buy a new CDI
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Post by chasedunfee on Mar 9, 2013 16:24:49 GMT -5
Here is picture two of three this is the strange splice to the ignition coil referred to in the drawing Attachments:
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Post by chasedunfee on Mar 9, 2013 16:20:52 GMT -5
tvnacmanI no longer think it is the ignition coil it was tested on a separate scooter and it fired fine. alleyoopThe CDI is 1 1/2 in by 2 1/2 in I dont know if it ever had the #5 wire in but i think it did because the more I remember it we popped it out and made a direct ground to #3 from #5 to no avail. Someone PMd me in regards to the VIN and it is *L9NTEACB1C1026818* *=5 point star if it is worth anything to anyone else Pics coming shortly
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Post by chasedunfee on Mar 8, 2013 16:32:11 GMT -5
I guess its not the coil because my gpa took the coil to the scooter store and he plugged it. in to see if it would bite and it did so i guess there is power flowing so what's the problem.. I'm at wits end its not where the power loss leads.. i just don't understand anymore
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Post by chasedunfee on Mar 8, 2013 13:40:44 GMT -5
With the fuse I know it must work because whenever it doesn't also have power with the other red lead connected to the battery it won't try to start. As said the problem isn't whether power is getting around it is where does it stop. My grandpa between the time of OP and now the it might not be the ignition coil because something about it may change the resistance once power is introduced making something further up the line fail. I don't know I seem to only know enough to get me in trouble with this dang thing.
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Post by chasedunfee on Mar 8, 2013 13:36:45 GMT -5
3. Yes
4. Yes
2. Yes
1. I think so but will go check.
The problem isn't whether it will try and crank. There was some wiring wrong from the factory with the headlight/brake lights, but my gpa fixed it when we first got it here 6 months ago. I think when we were messing with it then we read something about you can create a jumper from #5 to #3 which is why there is no #5 because it looks like it belongs to the cdi and just happens to be the right color.
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Post by chasedunfee on Mar 8, 2013 12:40:47 GMT -5
Here is the ignition coil and the stator is coming Attachments:
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Post by chasedunfee on Mar 8, 2013 12:38:41 GMT -5
Alright. So last year I bought a Moped, but later got a car and moved to the other side of my town. Got into a rush hour car pile up with me at the end only having liability. My car got totaled, and I had to move back into my grandpas. I lost my job because of it, and he won't let me use a car. So 6 months after buying it I don't have a choice not to fix it and soon. So all help is welcome because I need this thing running a month ago so I can get back to work. So immediate help is greatly appreciated. No Fire... I didn't know much about scooters till i got my hand into my first one learning about carbs and now this one learning the electronics and fire of them. So the diagram I am including shows everything I am about to say. The stator- is fine it has 52ACv from the Red/Black (CDI POWER) and 1.3ACv to Blue/Yellow (CDI TRIGGER WIRE). Both within the range needed for fire. The CDI- is fine (I think) trigger wire(#1) still has same power leading into the CDI as does the CDI power wire(#6). (#2) The Yellow/Black wire which is the ignition coil power. (#3) Is empty but I know it is supposed to be ground, and (#4) Also ground has the Green ground wire HOWEVER #4 has a splice from the ignition coil ground before it reaches the CDI. This is question one should i cut the splice and connect it directly to #3 with a jumper wire? or is it fine? (#5) Is Empty and from official diagrams this is wrong. There should be a Black/White wire from the Killswitch and there is a loose Black/White wire, but I haven't chased it yet, and it doesnt change anything when i plug it in. (#6) is the power wire for the CDI Ignition Coil - (I believe this is the problem) So I have the ground to green and black to Yellow/Black, so I believe this is connected properly. Well this is where the power is lost. The Yellow/Black wire has between 25-40ACv when UNPLUGGED to the ignition coil with leads plugs red to power and black to ground (DUH). THE POWER IS LOST HERE when I plug the ignition coil into the power and ground as it is suppose to be and move the plastic slip back to test it the same way just plugged in it reads .05ACv. <<< Power was just lost? and after that there is no power so the plug wont bite me and I try to turn it because I don't feel anything with my finger over it. A little back story to the actual moped it was bought with only a 4th of a mile on it. The owner said he bought it online, and when he got it and assembled it, it ran he left, then had to push it back home. He tried changing the CDI so now I have a spare, but the one that came with the bike seems better. The factory told him to send it back for 200 and they would fix it, but he seemed pretty well off so he just sold it. Now I have it. Please immediate help is needed I have to get back to bringing money in or else I will be HOMELESS, because even my grandpa has limits with me stay out here in the country with no local jobs and so I am not bringing in any money. PLEASE HELP ME!! Attachments:
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