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Post by floridagull on Jan 3, 2017 17:00:04 GMT -5
OK - so, we get home from riding earlier today, pull into the driveway, shut off the scooter, go inside for a bit, come out about a half-hour later to ride again, and... The scooter started as usual, but, when throttle is applied, it does not "go" - when on center stand, rear wheel does not spin, and engine sputters and dies...  CVT belt broken? Or, does it sound like something more dire?   Oh - it doesn't appear that the Kymco 2 year warranty covers drive belts...  One other thought - the odometer has been "flashing" since 1250 miles (it now has 1650) - I assumed that it was a maintenance thing, but maybe one of you good people know differently...no reference to such a thing in the "owner's manual"...  |
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Post by flyangler on Jan 3, 2017 17:21:41 GMT -5
I would guess it's your belt, at any rate you should pop off the cover and check it out.
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Post by floridagull on Jan 3, 2017 17:35:02 GMT -5
Is 1650 miles low for a belt? What would be expected mileage? And, if one is running  % of the time at the weight capacity of the vehicle (my wife and I, 2 up), does that contribute to shorter belt life? |
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Post by flyangler on Jan 3, 2017 18:15:10 GMT -5
Any way you look at it this shouldn't have happened on that scooter in that short of time,but until you take off the cvt cover you won't know what happened , I wish you luck and if it is the belt it should be an easy fix. ( easy being when someone else does it)  |
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Post by rockynv on Jan 3, 2017 23:19:18 GMT -5
In Florida 2 up riding you can blow through a belt that's got a few years on it in less than 2,000 miles especially if you ride where its dusty and such. Leaves, sugar sand, bird feathers, etc blowing around can clog up the CVT filter in short time leading to excessive heat and premature belt failure. The 150R is the previous model with the current being the 150X so it could have been made in 2014 and been sitting with that belt at a Florida dealership for almost 3 years plus if the dealership was near to an airport (space center) or fast food restaurant the belt could have been suffering from contamination in addition to old age and very marginal when you bought it.
Engine or gear oil getting on the belt from a spill or leak can also dramatically reduce belt life. Some folks who transported their bikes lying on the left side will experience short belt life from the oil that overflows the purge tube/crankcase vent getting into the CVT case and onto the belt.
That being said you still need to open the case and determine if the belt simple flew apart or something else happened like the drive face was not torqued on properly from the factory and came loose, been contaminated, etc.
I feel you pain having to deal with a belt that had been sitting too long on a peg board in an open service bay near to a doughnut shop. It blew apart on me while riding on the Interstate in the far left passing lane when it had about 2,000 miles on it. Though it looked new it felt light and I almost returned it because it didn't feel right but I was pressed for time and in a rush to get going again. Should have gone with my gut.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jan 4, 2017 1:05:44 GMT -5
Whew, it DOES sound like your belt broke, but you need to pull the cover to see what's up. Could be something amiss in the clutch or variator. Whatever it is, on a new scoot your dealer should be willing to help out. Most Kymco scoots are highly reliable for many years. My old Grandvista 250 had 15K miles on her by the original owner who rode % highway, WOT, 2-up and loaded with luggage. My dealer replaced the belt before putting "Minnie Mouse" on the lot, but the original belt still looked pretty good. Whatever the fix you need, it shouldn't be too difficult. Any problems, there are plenty of members here to help out with advice. Ride safe! Leo in Texas |
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Post by w650 on Jan 4, 2017 7:13:11 GMT -5
If it's under warranty don't even think about it. Take it to the Dealer. That's why you paid the money instead of buying something online. If it's a defect they'll fix it under the terms of the warranty. If not, you're just doing what you have to do to maintain that warranty against a possible bigger future problem. If you have to take it back later for something and they see a non-standard belt you could run into a problem.
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Post by floridagull on Jan 4, 2017 12:06:32 GMT -5
It is a 2016 - Stuart Motorsports became a Kymco dealer in February 2016 - of course, how long it sat in the Kymco warehouse is another question...
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jan 4, 2017 19:00:52 GMT -5
If it's under warranty don't even think about it. Take it to the Dealer. That's why you paid the money instead of buying something online. If it's a defect they'll fix it under the terms of the warranty. If not, you're just doing what you have to do to maintain that warranty against a possible bigger future problem. If you have to take it back later for something and they see a non-standard belt you could run into a problem. I've been riding used stuff so long I forgot about the benefits of new stuff! My dealer will come and pick up a scooter with his truck and deliver it back to the owner if it's under warranty. You pay a premium for a new ride, and that premium entitles you to some extra service on a warranted bike. 
Git 'er fixed quick, and enjoy the ride!Leo in Texas |
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Post by rockynv on Jan 4, 2017 23:26:17 GMT -5
Yes even though the warranty does not apply to the belt the belt should be covered if a warrantable part failed.
The dealer may eat the belt replacement costs as a good will gesture even if technically they could not find any other problem that could have cause the belt to fail and is covered by the warranty with the added plus that if more belts fail in short time you have it documented that belts are failing prematurely and they won't be able to say the repetitive failures were because of your lack of expertise in replacing them.
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Post by floridagull on Jan 5, 2017 6:48:38 GMT -5
OK - I contacted the guy my son and I use for oil changes - the "Scooter Genie" - and he said he can't get parts for Kymco. Told me if I could get a belt he could do the work. He can also come and get it - for a fee, of course. I am not even certain it is the belt - although it does sound as if it is. I'm going to call dealer later and see what he says - and I haven't taken CVT cover off or anything, as I don't want dealer to think I was in there... |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jan 5, 2017 18:12:24 GMT -5
OK - I contacted the guy my son and I use for oil changes - the "Scooter Genie" - and he said he can't get parts for Kymco. Told me if I could get a belt he could do the work. He can also come and get it - for a fee, of course. I am not even certain it is the belt - although it does sound as if it is. I'm going to call dealer later and see what he says - and I haven't taken CVT cover off or anything, as I don't want dealer to think I was in there... Definitely contact the dealer. It's a new scooter, under warranty, and the scooter not being drivable is HIS problem, NOT YOURS. At least in theory... LOL! I'd exhaust all attempts to have the dealer do the fix under warranty before ANY other methods... particularly since you don't want to do any work of your own which might void the warranty. It's probably a broken belt, but if it's something more difficult or expensive to fix, you REALLY want it covered by the warranty. Kymcos are great-quality scoots, and to have a new one act up so soon is not common. I'll bet the dealer will be glad to help you get back running, since it will be good PR for his shop. Ride safe, Leo in Texas |
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Post by rockynv on Jan 6, 2017 0:27:35 GMT -5
OK - I contacted the guy my son and I use for oil changes - the "Scooter Genie" - and he said he can't get parts for Kymco. Told me if I could get a belt he could do the work. He can also come and get it - for a fee, of course. I am not even certain it is the belt - although it does sound as if it is. I'm going to call dealer later and see what he says - and I haven't taken CVT cover off or anything, as I don't want dealer to think I was in there... I would not have the Genie touch it if there is any chance of it being a warranty issue as that indeed could muddy up the waters. You may just open the filter housing up and see if you can get an eye on the belt at best. Give the dealer the first swing at bat and if he asks you to check the belt and report back to him that would be different. Be nice and let him know how much you like the bike, what a big disappointment it was to have such a great bike fail like this at so few miles and how much you appreciate having his assistance in getting the matter resolved. I know it sounds hokey but folks like being put in the position of hero better than having someone coming in already talking in any way like their the adversary. |
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Post by spandi on Jan 6, 2017 7:39:49 GMT -5
I'd let the dealer at least look it over, it seems everyone is figuring the belt, but what if it's something more serious than that?
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Post by floridagull on Jan 6, 2017 13:49:08 GMT -5
I'd let the dealer at least look it over, it seems everyone is figuring the belt, but what if it's something more serious than that? How about less serious?
When this happened Tuesday evening, I rolled the scooter into the backyard, and didn't touch it again...
So, last evening (Thursday), I get home from work, and my oldest son and I are going to put the scooter into his pickup truck and take it over to Stuart Motorsports - I spoke with Bobby during the day, and he said to bring it in. In the backyard, I decide to start it and see how things are - you know, for "kicks and grins"...and I apply throttle - and the rear wheel spins! I get on the scooter, and try the throttle - I begin to move! I ride around the house to the driveway, and call Bobby - I tell him what went on, and he says "that's very weird - bring it in, and we'll check it out"... And I drive to the shop (not gently, I might add) with NO issues...
I thought someone had answered my initial question by mentioning a multitude of things that could have caused my problem other than a broken CVT, including a stuck carb float/needle, but I must have been dreaming, or the poster deleted that reply. Well, if I was not dreaming, that poster deserves a "bone", because he/she was right! Nothing wrong with the CVT - Bobby thinks it may have been bad gas/water in fuel/foreign matter in carb that (obviously) has cleared itself. I always use  , but that doesn't mean I didn't get a particle in there...
So - no problems - but, he is doing the "1850 mile service" (scooter has 1650, and is due for an oil change - I had told him to at least do an oil change since it was there) - oil change, gear oil, air filter cleaning/replacement, probably a few other adjustments - for $75. Oh well - live and learn! I guess I should have tried it once or twice again before contacting the dealer...but, if it was the CVT, I was concerned about damaging things further...
And, seeing as it is the dealer, I think I got away OK with a $75 "1850 mile service"...
Thanks to all who took the time to reply!
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% of the time at the weight capacity of the vehicle (my wife and I, 2 up), does that contribute to shorter belt life?
, but that doesn't mean I didn't get a particle in there...