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Post by mrsunsett on Aug 6, 2016 3:04:52 GMT -5
Okay, so i hit a turn on the pcx today.... and i did a flipping truffle shuffle of the left... the bike pretty much skipped ad hopped while in the turn... AMAZINGLY... nothing happened. I dident vary my weight or the turn i was going through amd the bike caught its self and i came out of the turn practically shitting my pants...
So i am still used to the fact that my wifes taotao zummer has significantly fatter tires than my pcx.
And one have any suggestions for wider tires for the honda pcx... ide love to have some seasoned buyers perspective when it comes to tires.
Thanks
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Post by hillbillybob on Aug 6, 2016 4:17:02 GMT -5
I'll bet the next time you go through that turn, you'll be doing it somewhat slower than last night. Are you sure there wasn't something on the pavement that caused it?
I doubt that tire width had anything at all to do with your thrill ride. I'd sooner suspect tire pressure, or condition....even the brand, some are of a softer compound for handling, while others are harder for durability. Michelin now makes a dual compound tire, hard in the center area, and softer towards the edges, to accomplish both jobs.
I don't think Honda screwed up when designing your PCX. They pretty much "know their onions" when it comes to two wheelers, and wouldn't put a tire/wheel combo on one of their products, that caused wonky handling.
Let me just say this.....I've had no hands on experience with the PCX, but did buy my first Honda in 1965.....I have never had any bike of mine do as you described.
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Post by rockynv on Aug 6, 2016 6:10:27 GMT -5
That can happen with motorcycle tires are over 2 years old and you are riding at night when its potentially cool and damp since there can now be a light sheen of oil and water on the road. This is also the tradeoff you get if you put hard compound tires to get longer wear on a bike. Bottom line on the Honda is to keep very close to the OEM size tires on the bike to keep the handling balanced and stay with established name brand tires such as Pirelli, Michelin, Dunlop or the German Heidenau.
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Post by spandi on Aug 6, 2016 9:00:27 GMT -5
That can happen with motorcycle tires are over 2 years old and you are riding at night when its potentially cool and damp since there can now be a light sheen of oil and water on the road. This is also the tradeoff you get if you put hard compound tires to get longer wear on a bike. Bottom line on the Honda is to keep very close to the OEM size tires on the bike to keep the handling balanced and stay with established name brand tires such as Pirelli, Michelin, Dunlop or the German Heidenau. yep, recommend swap out time on motorcycle/scooter tire is roughly 5-6 years (putting in Pirelli Diablo) |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 6, 2016 17:04:24 GMT -5
Mrsunsett,
Hmmm... First, welcome to the site!
Now, I've been riding for over a half-century and ONE time had a similar experience. It was around 1972 on my ex-wife's Honda 500cc 4-cylinder bike. That bike had original equipment Bridgestone tires, and they were hard as rocks. You couldn't wear them out, but they were truly awful when it came to handling. They'd lock up and/or slide sideways on dry pavement WORSE than most tires of the day would do on wet pavement.
I replaced them with Dunlop tires and all was fine.
I agree (especially today) that Honda isn't likely to have made any big mistakes in tire choice. You may have hit something unseen on the road, or, your tires may be "past their prime". Could be hard, or maybe just not the best choice for your particular ride.
When I bought my current scooter (old 2007 Kymco 250 Grandvista) the dealer had installed new Kenda J-rated tires (similar to those on my Xingyue 150 which I traded on the Kymco). On my 150 the J-rated Kendas were fine. On the heavier, faster Kymco however, they were truly awful.
I had the dealer immediately replace with a Shinko up front, and a Michelin rear. The reason for the mix was to obtain whitewalls. Shinko makes a 120-70-112 whitewall for the front, but NOBODY makes a 140-70-12 rear, so I went with the dealer's recommendation of the Michelin Power Pure rear for the mix, and painted the whitewall.
After two years of mixed city and highway riding, I can say BOTH tires perform perfectly.
The secret may be more the RATING (92-mph P-rated) rather than the brand. I'm so impressed that I would upgrade to P-rated tires even on a 150 that can't approach the P-rated speed. The tires are only a little more costly than budget-priced tires, and the increase in riding comfort and traction is amazing.
Ride safe!
Leo in Texas
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Post by rockynv on Aug 7, 2016 6:04:51 GMT -5
Note that one must be careful with the Shinko as while they do a pretty good knockoff of the name brand tread patterns they sometimes do not get the rubber formulation correct and end up with too hard a formulation for the tread pattern.
Sava makes some tires that are great until they start getting close to the wear bars however are not worn out. The temperature that they fuse the tread belt to the carcass of the tire is sometimes a tad too hot so that the rubber nearer to the last 30% of the usable tread has much less grip than the first 70% of usable tread. When the Sava Diamond tires are new you can almost do a Stoppie like in a Tom Cruise movie riding a Sport City however when 65% to 70% of the usable tread is worn then they can become quite slick. Sava is the Slovenian arm of GoodYear.
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Post by mrsunsett on Aug 9, 2016 2:42:15 GMT -5
That can happen with motorcycle tires are over 2 years old and you are riding at night when its potentially cool and damp since there can now be a light sheen of oil and water on the road. This is also the tradeoff you get if you put hard compound tires to get longer wear on a bike. Bottom line on the Honda is to keep very close to the OEM size tires on the bike to keep the handling balanced and stay with established name brand tires such as Pirelli, Michelin, Dunlop or the German Heidenau. Thank you everyone for the advice, but to just give everyone more info, it was sunset, it had raines in the morning that day, but the roads looks pretty dry, and my pcx is 3 months old from the dealer, maybe i hit a patch of dirt or gravel in the road... i guess ill just know my limitations on speed, was taking the turn at about... 30 to 35 mph.. but more on the side of 30... Cant drive like im on the track is what im telling myself. Thanks |
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Post by rockynv on Aug 9, 2016 3:54:24 GMT -5
I went down June 2015 on some invisible sugar sand that was blowing across the dry hot road going about 45 mph during a minor lane change. It was like being on a pizza peal covered with corn meal. In June the roads here can feel as hot as a pizza oven too. Had my gear on with the exception of regular jean instead of riding pants. The bruises on my knees are almost gone.
As for a 3 month old bike well you may have purchased it 3 months ago however Honda bought the tires sometime well before they built the bike and then sent it on a cruise across the Pacific after which it sat in a warehouse for some time awaiting Customs inspection before it was sent to Honda's distribution center to await being shipped out. From the distribution center it may have gone on a train ride to a more local shipping hub where it sat for a while waiting to be sent by truck to the dealer. At the dealers it sat for a time in the crate until they cleared space for it on the floor or they had a buyer for it. Some years can go by from the time the manufacturer purchases the tires and the end user receives the bike with them installed on it. Meanwhile the tires start to age from the moment that they are pressed with the aging process accelerated the moment they are mounted and inflated even if they are never ridden on.
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