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Post by rcq92130 on Jun 16, 2016 1:39:00 GMT -5
Yep.
There are only 2 generic forms of O2 sensors. The one i used was a discard from my BMW - it no longer switched fast enough to allow the engine computer to pass smog, but is blinding fast for our needs. Needle on the gauge fluctuates VERY fast to changes in throttle.
The one thing you need to avoid (with the gauge I showed) are "wideband sensors", the more modern kind that give output voltages ranging from a few tenths NEGATIVE volt to a few tenths positive, depending on the O2 content. These do NOT work properly with that kind of gauge.
The older, more traditional sensor (used on most cars up until 10 years ago or so, gave output from about 0.2 volts (super lean) to 0.8 volts (super rich). The meter properly and accurately interprets this signal. So - get a cheap, NON-wideband O2 sensor ... and get one that is used and considered no good for a car so the price is cheap or maybe even zero. Should work fine.
A note: sensors generally have 4 wires - 2 pairs. One pair is for the heater element (sensor needs to get hot). These connect to +12v and -12v, no particular order. The other pair is the sensor output you will connect to the gauge. The gauge I used had a +12v and a -12v wire (ground), and only 1 sensor output wire. So, I connected one sensor output wire to it and the other sensor output wire to ground.
It's very interesting to see air/fuel at mid-range, then WOT, then as the throttle is closed. I think with some thought you can really zone in on the best combination of low end jet - and mixture at idle thru mid range, and also main jet (for mid range and wot). You just need to ride, watch, and think through what is happening at different engine settings and what can move it all into a "slightly rich" result under all conditions.
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Post by JerryScript on Jun 21, 2016 15:50:01 GMT -5
I'm definitely going to look into an O2 sensor. I have an EGR that has never been connected, the tube that connects it to the exhaust is too small for a bung, but I think it's still a good place to put the bung by cutting that tube off.
I tried the 105 main jet today, lost top speed, but otherwise ok. This tells me that at only 1 1/2 turns out, the pilot is a little rich, but should be ok. The 108 seems to be the right main. One good thing from all this jet testing, I have plenty of larger jets for if/when I go to a free-flow intake and/or exhaust system!
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Post by rcq92130 on Jun 22, 2016 12:49:10 GMT -5
Jerry If for some reason you wanted to buy a new O2 sensor, rather than just using a used one (some folks feel better spending more $$ !), this "manufacturer's closeout" from Rock Auto for $20 should work fine You just want to make sure you don't get one of the new-fangled 'wideband' sensors, and want to make sure it's heated (4 wires, not only 1 or 2)
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Post by tvnacman on Jun 22, 2016 13:28:23 GMT -5
rcq92130 where did you get the gauge? link please
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Post by rcq92130 on Jun 22, 2016 14:30:10 GMT -5
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Post by pistonguy on Jun 22, 2016 15:52:01 GMT -5
Well Grace us with some pic's of that Beautiful Dash I know you have. jeez
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Post by rcq92130 on Jun 22, 2016 18:10:36 GMT -5
Yeah, yeah - you just want to make fun of the pimpmobile. Again. Anyway - took a video of the a/f gauge thinking ti would show how quickly it responds (much faster than the analog tach sitting to the left of it). This is with an old, used O2 sensor - one that was no longer good enough in my car to pass smog. But the car computer calculates 100's of times a second, and needs the sensor to respond fast. We only need it to respond in a 1/10th second. We want the engine to run "slightly" rich. I found the needle valve to be INCREDIBLY sensitive. Something like 1/16th turn would swing the gauge a LOT to either rich or lean. So, I think these gauges are pretty valuable for tuning. There is no way you could get anywhere near that close by ear. View My Video(I don't know why the TinyPic app makes the video all distorted like that. Anyway, I hope you get the gist of it.)
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Post by JerryScript on Jun 22, 2016 21:22:45 GMT -5
Just throw it on YouTube, simple and anyone can view easily. Tinypic requires flash, which most phones don't have.
I don't have much space on my dash, and my fairing layout makes handle bar mounting look less than clean, so I'm thinking about cannibalizing a cheap volt meter with a display I can hack out of its case and fit in my instrument panel. If I can find one with a bar display, I can mark it in mixture values using a second meter, and not have to decipher the voltages or bar length.
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Post by rcq92130 on Jun 22, 2016 21:52:05 GMT -5
That'l work. Just make sure it will read very low voltages. The sensor puts out between 0.2 volts (very lean) and 0.8 volts (very rich). I had trouble finding a cheat voltmeter that read tenths accurately (most seem to read something like "12.1 volts"), which is why I went with a f/a gauge. But a volt meter that has 2 decimal places will do just fine.
ps: I even have the guts of a brand new voltmeter (got it just for the can) - LED about 1/2 inch tall. Yours for free if you want it. But I think it only reads to 1 decimal place
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Post by JerryScript on Jun 22, 2016 22:08:20 GMT -5
Was rummaging thru the garage, found an old volt meter, needle type. I could do an arch with O2 readout markings, and bend the needle for a perpendicular mount, mounting wouldn't be too difficult provided there's enough space under there. It's an old method to get a horizontal readout using a needle type gauge. Lots of fuel gauges used to use this mounting style, as well as older hi-fi equipment (that's high-fidelity for you youngsters).
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Post by rcq92130 on Jun 23, 2016 13:25:42 GMT -5
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Post by pistonguy on Jun 23, 2016 15:46:11 GMT -5
Was rummaging thru the garage, found an old volt meter, needle type. I could do an arch with O2 readout markings, and bend the needle for a perpendicular mount, mounting wouldn't be too difficult provided there's enough space under there. It's an old method to get a horizontal readout using a needle type gauge. Lots of fuel gauges used to use this mounting style, as well as older hi-fi equipment (that's high-fidelity for you youngsters). Would that be Amplitude or Frequency Modulation? on that there hi-fi
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Post by JerryScript on Jun 23, 2016 16:11:25 GMT -5
FM...no static at all!
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Post by rcq92130 on Jun 23, 2016 18:04:58 GMT -5
Was rummaging thru the garage, found an old volt meter, needle type. I could do an arch with O2 readout markings, and bend the needle for a perpendicular mount, mounting wouldn't be too difficult provided there's enough space under there. It's an old method to get a horizontal readout using a needle type gauge. Lots of fuel gauges used to use this mounting style, as well as older hi-fi equipment (that's high-fidelity for you youngsters). Would that be Amplitude or Frequency Modulation? on that there hi-fi And then, just today, on a vintage movie site, I saw this:
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