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Post by JerryScript on May 25, 2016 13:04:27 GMT -5
The comments we just put on our FB page www.facebook.com/Bintelli/Bintelli Scooters This seems a bit over the line. To just destroy perfectly good machines? Sell them and give the money to charity. Donate the vehicle to summer camps. Something! Do something besides just destroying value just to "send a message". What do you think? I agree 100%, destruction of property to send a message is a very bad public policy. The arguments being offered indicate that the owners did something wrong, and this justifies it. If this is allowed, anyone who gets a speeding ticket could have their vehicle destroyed. |
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Post by rockynv on May 26, 2016 4:09:17 GMT -5
The comments we just put on our FB page www.facebook.com/Bintelli/Bintelli Scooters This seems a bit over the line. To just destroy perfectly good machines? Sell them and give the money to charity. Donate the vehicle to summer camps. Something! Do something besides just destroying value just to "send a message". What do you think? I agree 100%, destruction of property to send a message is a very bad public policy. The arguments being offered indicate that the owners did something wrong, and this justifies it. If this is allowed, anyone who gets a speeding ticket could have their vehicle destroyed. Only if they abandon them or had fake ID and can't be contacted. These were illegal bikes being ridden on the streets that were towed since neither the bike or the rider were street legal and none of the riders of the bikes went to the station to get their bikes out of the lockup/impound yard. The bikes were saved in a secure location for the owners to come to claim them and pay the towing/storage fees which would have been quite low if they had showed up later that same day or on the next day with a truck or trailer. Why are people making this more than it was? It was simple process of unregistered vehicles being removed from public streets being aged off the system because they had been abandoned in the impound yard with the vehicles being of such little resale value that it was not worth the cost of the paperwork to auction them. Was the city supposed to do? Allow an unlicensed rider on an unregistered/uninsured bike to simply ride away, store the bikes in perpetuity or where the ticketed riders gave a real id and street address, ship them back to them at the taxpayers expense waiving the ticket, towing and impound fees? What happened here was people riding illegally got caught, abandoned their property and after due process the abandoned property was disposed of. If you abandon a home and its of no value/unsafe it is bulldozed off the lot which may be put up for the cost of the back taxes and this is not really much different than that except that the vacant lot remains and has to be made into a park, available for development, etc. |
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Post by SylvreKat on May 26, 2016 6:41:15 GMT -5
Although I'm all for individuals' rights, I'm with rocky on this.
To use Jerry's speeding ticket, this is nothing like destroying a vehicle for one speeding ticket. It's more like you got many tickets which you never paid, so you're driving with a revoked license and got pulled over for yet another speeding, so your car (which btb you never renewed the plate so it's illegal now) is impounded, which you never go to claim and pay fees on.
What's the city supposed to do with these street-illegal abandoned bikes? Store them forever? The guy said it would cost more to make them street-legal so they could auction them. Sounded to me like they could pay to legalize the bikes, then lose money on the auction 'cause the bikes won't bring in what the city spent. This way, the city makes some money from the scrapyards while sending a message "We will not tolerate wild riding on illegal bikes."
Now, if they crushed the bikes the day or so after confiscating them, that would be different. Or were crushing good bikes that wouldn't cost to make street-legal. Then I'd be agreeing with Jerry and the rest of you who think this is so terrible.
>'Kat
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Post by JerryScript on May 26, 2016 8:15:34 GMT -5
Sorry Kat, but unless they were convicted in a court of law for something far worse than speeding tickets, my argument stands. Simple point of the matter is, if it's ok to destroy these bikes for what amounts to misdemeanors, then it's ok to destroy yours for the same. A slippery slope is a slippery slope, no matter how you try to justify oiling it. I promise you there were dealers who would have purchased these off road vehicles to sell for off road purposes. You cannot make many off road bikes street legal, that doesn't mean they should be destroyed. And there are plenty of places in the state of New York to ride off road vehicles legally. rockynv, I would love to see one instance of a perfectly good home being bulldozed because it was abandoned. Perhaps a home that needs to be destroyed due to being unsafe to live in is, but not a perfectly good house. |
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Post by Bintelli - Justin on May 26, 2016 10:56:19 GMT -5
Although I'm all for individuals' rights, I'm with rocky on this. What's the city supposed to do with these street-illegal abandoned bikes? Store them forever? The guy said it would cost more to make them street-legal so they could auction them. Sounded to me like they could pay to legalize the bikes, then lose money on the auction 'cause the bikes won't bring in what the city spent. This way, the city makes some money from the scrapyards while sending a message "We will not tolerate wild riding on illegal bikes." >'Kat Sell them as off road use only vehicles (like dirt bikes and ATVs are) or donate them somewhere that they can be used legally such as a summer camp on private property. There's plenty of things that could have been done, they just chose to drive over them with a bulldozer instead. |
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Post by rockynv on May 26, 2016 12:04:56 GMT -5
Sorry Kat, but unless they were convicted in a court of law for something far worse than speeding tickets, my argument stands. Simple point of the matter is, if it's ok to destroy these bikes for what amounts to misdemeanors, then it's ok to destroy yours for the same. A slippery slope is a slippery slope, no matter how you try to justify oiling it. I promise you there were dealers who would have purchased these off road vehicles to sell for off road purposes. You cannot make many off road bikes street legal, that doesn't mean they should be destroyed. And there are plenty of places in the state of New York to ride off road vehicles legally. rockynv, I would love to see one instance of a perfectly good home being bulldozed because it was abandoned. Perhaps a home that needs to be destroyed due to being unsafe to live in is, but not a perfectly good house. They sit abandoned for years, become unsafe and are buldozed unless someone bids on the back taxes and restores them however many times even when taken over for the taxes the houses get raised and a new one built. A home thats abandoned does not maintain itself and just starts to decay. With the bikes it cut and dry. Since the are not DOT recognized street bikes, are unplated and being ridden on the streets, if caught by the police they have to be towed and put in the impound yard for the owners to claim them. If the owners choose to leave them unclaimed then they are abandoned by the owner. I wonder how many parents would not dance that dance one more time for their kids and refused to retrieve the bikes again. |
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Post by rockynv on May 26, 2016 12:09:23 GMT -5
Although I'm all for individuals' rights, I'm with rocky on this. What's the city supposed to do with these street-illegal abandoned bikes? Store them forever? The guy said it would cost more to make them street-legal so they could auction them. Sounded to me like they could pay to legalize the bikes, then lose money on the auction 'cause the bikes won't bring in what the city spent. This way, the city makes some money from the scrapyards while sending a message "We will not tolerate wild riding on illegal bikes." >'Kat Sell them as off road use only vehicles (like dirt bikes and ATVs are) or donate them somewhere that they can be used legally such as a summer camp on private property. There's plenty of things that could have been done, they just chose to drive over them with a bulldozer instead. However that still has an associated cost to it. At least by scrapping an otherwise worthless bike the city recovers part of the unpaid ticket, towing and storage costs and lightens the financial burden these scofflaw riders put on honest hard working tax payers. |
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Post by JerryScript on May 26, 2016 13:11:47 GMT -5
I think I've stated my beliefs enough, thank you for not taking this too far.
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Post by rockynv on May 26, 2016 23:22:54 GMT -5
I think I've stated my beliefs enough, thank you for not taking this too far. I try to see both sides and have had personal experience in part of this process such as donating verses scrapping. Donating goods in quantity can really backfire on you. We tried donating a number of used computers that we got back from lease in our clients offices to needy organizations instead of recycling them since they were still technically serviceable and it ended up costing us a lot of money and personal time. We ended up vowing never again and then started selling them for scrap and donated the cash instead. It was an unreal Odyssey that for a time looked like it would never end. One charity had a parent claim the machines were not child safe and the charity then threw us under that bus. Our attorneys had to get involved and read us the riot act reinforcing that no good deed goes unpunished. Selling things for scrap or salvage has much less liability than donating an item. We live in such a very litigious society that its scary. |
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Post by Jarlaxle on May 30, 2016 15:34:14 GMT -5
Great news! Here they impound the bike and hold it there until you take and pass the Motorcycle Safety Foundations Basic Rider Course to ensure that you are able to ride safely without endangering pedestrians along with other motorists and are insured correctly to pay for any damage you cause. Something has to be done about these scofflaws who habitually refuse to man up and assume their duty to be responsible citizens and follow the rules of the road. These unlicensed riders give us all a bad name because of their actions and its good to see something being done to stop them. Hopefully more cities will follow this example and help stop the mayhem these outlaw riders cause on our streets. Its better to have them loose their rides than to have them continue to be out there harassing motorists who in some areas are so fed up with these guys that they will be more inclined to run down or shoot a rider just for being out their riding. Yeah, wonderful news: rather than try to find owners of the bikes, they just destroyed them. (Many of them were stolen.) Way to go, NYPD! |
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Post by Jarlaxle on May 30, 2016 15:35:34 GMT -5
The guy said it would cost more to make these bikes street legal and auction them, than they make crushing them and selling as scrap. >'Kat Which I suspect is an out-and-out lie. He probably got a sweet kickback from the guy that bought them. |
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Post by Jarlaxle on May 30, 2016 15:39:01 GMT -5
Although I'm all for individuals' rights, I'm with rocky on this. No, you';re not. The positions are mutually exclusive. They are not street legal bikes! They are off-highway dirt bikes and ATVs. That is either a red herring or just a lie. Many of the bikes were stolen...yet no attempt was made to contact owners, or even let them get bikes they knew were theirs. |
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Post by rockynv on May 31, 2016 4:26:59 GMT -5
Great news! Here they impound the bike and hold it there until you take and pass the Motorcycle Safety Foundations Basic Rider Course to ensure that you are able to ride safely without endangering pedestrians along with other motorists and are insured correctly to pay for any damage you cause. Something has to be done about these scofflaws who habitually refuse to man up and assume their duty to be responsible citizens and follow the rules of the road. These unlicensed riders give us all a bad name because of their actions and its good to see something being done to stop them. Hopefully more cities will follow this example and help stop the mayhem these outlaw riders cause on our streets. Its better to have them loose their rides than to have them continue to be out there harassing motorists who in some areas are so fed up with these guys that they will be more inclined to run down or shoot a rider just for being out their riding. Yeah, wonderful news: rather than try to find owners of the bikes, they just destroyed them. (Many of them were stolen.) Way to go, NYPD! Guess you did not read the full article and see that these were abandoned in impound by owners who deemed them unworthy of claiming from impound or simply gave false info and could not be located. The headline was just misleading Hype typical of the very poor shock journalism today designed mostly to generating hits and advertising dollars. The reason they were destroyed was the lack of interest by the owners of record toward claiming them or that the owners had not registered the bikes/ATV's leaving no trail to the actual owners along with the fact that they were of little to no value making it so it would have cost more to process them for resale/placement. These were all towed away because they were not street legal and the riders were caught riding unlicensed/unregistered on city streets. |
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Post by Jarlaxle on May 31, 2016 17:07:17 GMT -5
I read it...I just do not believe it.
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Post by rockynv on Jun 1, 2016 0:27:20 GMT -5
I read it...I just do not believe it. Whats not to believe? That the bikes were in impound? They were publicly destroyed so no dealer got the bikes in condition for resale and scrap is not that valuable. The VIN's got registered as scrapped so that will follow the history of any part that can be traced back to the VIN. Its public record that the bikes were in inventory to be claimed and if the owner of record wanted them all he had to do was show up with proof that the VIN was his and pay off the fine. I have dealt with the police on similar issues having been a police consultant and everything is cataloged to make it as easy as possible for legal owners to claim their property. Too many folks looking for demons here where none exist. |
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