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Post by Bintelli - Justin on Apr 2, 2013 11:26:34 GMT -5
Go with Bintelli!
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Post by newtoscoots on Apr 2, 2013 11:55:43 GMT -5
I'd go with the Honda. Even with 8,000 miles on it, it is still the best value at $800 IMO.
I've had two of the Chinese scooters over the past few years. Bought a brand new Jonway Robot from scooter depot drop shipped to my door from the factory. Had to do some assembly, and minor maintenance right of the bat.
After about 6 months, the transmission belt broke and left me stranded. (which I should've changed with a good belt before I ever rode it I learned later)
All in all, it wasn't a terrible buy because it was so cheap, but I just got tired of nickel and diming it all the time. Plus, after it left me stranded a few times, I lost confidence in it on pretty much any ride. It's not fun to go out for a ride and be worried the whole time that you're not gonna make it back home without problems.
After about 2,000 miles on it, and many carb cleanings, fuel filter and line changes, etc., I bought a used Keeway 2t F-act. It is still chinese made but was supposed to be better than the other Chinese scooters.
The oil injection went out within about 3 months, causing me to crack a piston during a ride. Looking back, I honestly believe the seller sold it to me like that and knew that it would be a while before I ran the tank of gas out and he would be long gone.
Other than that, the Keeway has been pretty reliable. I seem to have a lot of problems keeping the carb cleaned out, so I'm constantly taking it off to clean it, even though I use Sea-foam, which is frustrating.
So, I'm now looking at a couple of brand new "name brand" scooters. As someone posted earlier, I just want to "put gas in it and ride" at this point.
The silver lining in owning the two Chinese scoots, is that I learned a LOT about how to service/trouble shoot scooters. I knew nothing about them when I bought my first one. But now, I can confidently clean/replace/re-jet the carb, change the variator and sliders, replace the drive belt, and all the other regular scheduled maintenance.
So, after writing this novel, yeah, I'd go with the $800 Honda without batting and eye.
Good Luck whatever you decide!
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Post by bobshaw on Apr 2, 2013 15:55:06 GMT -5
I too have a TaoTao, and also a Honda Reflex. I have almost 5,000 miles on the TaoTao with only minor problems, usual stuff dead battery, voltage regulator, and some fuel issues, but, mostly, it's been very reliable. But, I paid $2,000 for the 2005 Honda and only $700 for the 2010 TaoTao. If I was just riding around town at 45 mph or less, I'd probably have stuck with the TaoTao. In my opinion, it was a good first scooter.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 4, 2013 3:59:00 GMT -5
I got to the I just want to put gas in it and ride state with my Znen after about a year of constant whatever. I was a bit shocked when I found out how affordable the Aprilia I ended up with was and still is. I will not hesitate to ride out 6 hours across the state and then back on the same day just to see whats there with the Aprilia while with the Lance (Znen) I would have to debate if I would be able to make it all the way to work or be able to get all the way home on any given day. I was also getting a bit tired of the bosses regular comment about getting a horse whenever the Lance would break down and leave me stranded on the way to work. I have not missed a days work or been late because of the Aprilia even after putting almost 15,000 miles on it while the Lance once it got past 3,000 miles became a second job that I needed to work at so I could almost make it daily to my first job.
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Post by prodigit on Apr 4, 2013 13:21:53 GMT -5
So far I've only had good TaoTao's. Buy it from a reputable company, that does a PDI before shipping. Also, if you're into tweaking the crap out of chinese scooters that are not meant to be overdriven, then you'll automatically get what's coming. TaoTao scoots are well tuned, and stock perform better than the Yamaha Zuma's, or vespa's. Just stay within the specs, and don't go too crazy on the upgrades. Knowing what I do from personal experince with Piaggio products I would find that thought of better performance than a similar cc Vespa/Piaggio a bit of a stretch. Close maybe. Piaggio has been making 50cc bikes that stock will run at 45 mph while the Aprilia (Piaggio) SR50 tops out well over 50 mph. A TaoTao 50 can really do that for thousands of miles reliably? You can't really compare a fuel injected scooter to a chinese carbed scoot. But yes, the TaoTao's go very, very fast! And so far I've surpassed a couple of Zuma's, and vespa's. I'm not saying the chinese are more reliable. Mine has been for 2,5k miles. But I said, that they are tuned well, from the factory.. Just wait until the engine has been broken into, at around ~500 miles, those engines perform so much better,than in the beginning!
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Post by prodigit on Apr 4, 2013 13:31:37 GMT -5
ya know,i bought what many people would call a chinese scoot. After getting the air hoses figured out, i have put over 8000 miles on her. The only prob i ever had is the magneto died, BUT, i think i killed it. I was out riding on a winter day and got tons of salt on her. So i sprayed tons of water on her, trying to wash all the salt off. and i sprayed directly into the magneto area. Did that kill it? i think so.
but then again mine is a Shanghai Schenke Motorcycle Company LTD model, that was imported by Jonway. Does that make a difference? i think so. i think that company or maybe just that shift, cared about quality control.
if you buy a bag of apples say 20 per, and 15 are bad, do u bad mouth apples forever? Or just realize u got a bad bunch
Honestly, I've had more troubles with my $2600 BMS scooter, than with any of the TaoTao scoots. The issues with the Tao's are just fuel hose clips, and occasionally they forget to mount a bolt. Especially their ATM's have a VERY GOOD reliability. I see the VIP scooters in the repair shops ALL THE TIME! But very seldom do I see an ATM in the repair store. So the way I see it for the ATM's it's more like: if you have 20 apples, and one is bad...
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Post by prodigit on Apr 4, 2013 13:41:30 GMT -5
double post.
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