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Post by surfpick on Aug 4, 2015 21:39:11 GMT -5
Not quite sure how to do that, or even how to get at any connection points. Everything is buried and shielded.
Scooter, the diagram doesn't seem to match up with what I've got in that battery area.
I checked the diagram for the 2008 but it's the same as the 2006.
I don't know if it's actually different or if I just can't recognize & translate what I see?
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Post by scooter on Aug 5, 2015 1:38:05 GMT -5
Not quite sure how to do that, or even how to get at any connection points. Everything is buried and shielded. Scooter, the diagram doesn't seem to match up with what I've got in that battery area. I checked the diagram for the 2008 but it's the same as the 2006. I don't know if it's actually different or if I just can't recognize & translate what I see? It's hard to tell. In this picture  it looks like we see the three relays for other stuff on the left, numbers 4, 17, and 30 on the diagram. 37 on the right is the flasher relay and another relay, #29, with #14 between them. Those are all out in front on the left and right. #14 looks like that thing on the right that says "main" on it. There should be a metal box, the regulator/rectifier, possibly with cooling fins, on the right side. looking at the picture. and further to the right, the starter solenoid. It might even be on the other side of a bulkhead. What is that thing on the right, with the white tag on the side of it? I'd pull the body work around the battery. That's going to make things a lot easier to see, and you're probably going to be in there replacing something anyway. In the diagram, it looks like the positive battery wire runs straight to the solenoid and splits off from there, back to that #14 box. The solenoid takes a lot of amperage, so it's going to have big wires running to it. From the diagram it looks like you go to the right side of the battery, where there should be a wall, then out past that wall to another wall a little lower down, with the regulator mounted on it, and below and outboard of the regulator would be the solenoid. I don't see how you're going to get down in there without removing the body work. See that box on the right side of the battery? You need to look to the right of it and down. Maybe stick your hand down in there and see if you can feel the solenoid terminals. In this picture  go all the way to the left and look down in that hole. |
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Post by tvnacman on Aug 5, 2015 5:31:26 GMT -5
I know my way around electrical. I don't know the layout of your scooter. If you found the starter relay/solenoid trace the heavy wire it connects to the starter mounted on the engine. If you check for power at the solenoid/relay heavy terminals you should have power all the time on one. Then you should have power on the other only when the start button is pressed or you hear the click.
John
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Post by surfpick on Aug 5, 2015 7:27:07 GMT -5
OK, I can barely see down behind that bulkhead but there is something in there with a very thick wire attached, so that must be the relay.
I've been trying to remove the nose piece to get at it but I'm getting nowhere. The manual shows how to remove the other panels but doesn't show that whole nose piece being removed. I removed the floorboards and side piece but I'm now afraid I won't get it back together. There is a piece down in there that is sliding around. Hard to explain but it hasn't helped remove the nose piece anyway.
There is no way to get to the relay without removing the nose & I can't figure it out. I can't believe how hard it is to get to anything on this scooter. As much as I love it, I'm really wishing I got a simpler to work on motorcycle right now.
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Post by surfpick on Aug 5, 2015 7:30:51 GMT -5
tvnacman, I can't get at the relay. It is buried behind a bulkhead and I can't get the nose piece off. I don't know how to "check for power" anyway, even if I can get at something. Do I do this with the multimeter? How? What settings? I'm not even sure I plugged the leads into the correct places on the multimeter. There are 2 leads & 3 holes.  |
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Post by surfpick on Aug 5, 2015 8:45:09 GMT -5
OK, I removed both side panels and part of the dashboard and I finally got the nose loosened. I am unable to remove it because the instrument cluster is loosely attached but I can move it enough to get at the relay. Here it is:  I don't see any place to "jump" a screwdriver across that unit? Should I just order that $80 relay assembly & swap it out? OK, I just pulled back the rubber covers on the two big leads on that relay. You can't really see them in the pic, they are on the inboard side of the relay. I turned on the key, held the brake and touched a screwdriver to the two posts but I only get sparks? |
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Post by surfpick on Aug 5, 2015 10:52:10 GMT -5
I tried again with the screwdriver and the scooter started! Seems that it is going to take a while to get the part. I'm wondering if I can attach some wires to the terminals which I can still reach when the scooter is back together & hot wire it for now to get to work until the part arrives? I sure can't drive the thing like this: ykids.com/pics/scootermess.jpg |
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Post by surfpick on Aug 5, 2015 12:53:42 GMT -5
I cut the wire off an old power strip and put some connectors on it. I attached it to the relay so I can use it as a remote starter until the new relay arrives.  I think I can get it reassembled half-assed enough to drive it to work but I'm worried about getting it all back together properly & snugly. Whew! Thanks much cyborg, tvnacman & scooter, for your help. I'll send you a Surfpick, if you'd like one? |
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Post by scooter on Aug 5, 2015 16:24:30 GMT -5
As much as I love it, I'm really wishing I got a simpler to work on motorcycle right now. Yeah but the Morphous is one SWEET looking bike!  |
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Post by scooter on Aug 5, 2015 16:43:01 GMT -5
I cut the wire off an old power strip and put some connectors on it. I attached it to the relay so I can use it as a remote starter until the new relay arrives. I think I can get it reassembled half-assed enough to drive it to work but I'm worried about getting it all back together properly & snugly. Whew! Thanks much cyborg, tvnacman & scooter, for your help. I'll send you a Surfpick, if you'd like one? I wood LOVE to have one of your picks! I like thin flexible pics, to play electric metal power chords, but I'll take whatever you want to send. If I could have one with a rubber grip, that would be super. I have a hard time keeping a pick in position. I used gasket sealer on mine. Thanks, Surfpick! That's very generous of you! Oh, and you play beautifully! I'd like to play that well some day! |
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Post by surfpick on Aug 5, 2015 20:13:34 GMT -5
As much as I love it, I'm really wishing I got a simpler to work on motorcycle right now. Yeah but the Morphous is one SWEET looking bike! Yah, she's a beauty, even after assembly by me. I do have over a dozen bolts & screws left over. Whoops. I'll be more careful after tearing it down to install the new relay. The engineering on Yamaha drive trains, bearings, etc is top notch but you can tell that the Morphous body was designed by an artist, not an engineer. Sometimes you have to suffer for great art. You can email me a shipping address through the site. Sorry, nothing flexible but maybe it will work for certain of your songs/styles? |
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Post by cyborg on Aug 5, 2015 23:04:14 GMT -5
What you need to do is check the control voltage to the solenoid ( the relay you found ) to see if it is bad or that there is 12volts going from the starter button to the solenoid,,,,take two wires one from the positive and negative from the battery and hit the control terminals of the solenoid to see if it will fire
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Post by scooter on Aug 5, 2015 23:14:35 GMT -5
Yeah but the Morphous is one SWEET looking bike! Yah, she's a beauty, even after assembly by me. I do have over a dozen bolts & screws left over. Whoops. I'll be more careful after tearing it down to install the new relay. The engineering on Yamaha drive trains, bearings, etc is top notch but you can tell that the Morphous body was designed by an artist, not an engineer. Sometimes you have to suffer for great art. You can email me a shipping address through the site. Sorry, nothing flexible but maybe it will work for certain of your songs/styles? Whatever you have will be great. I liked the one in the red bag in your video. |
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Post by tvnacman on Aug 6, 2015 5:59:07 GMT -5
tvnacman, I can't get at the relay. It is buried behind a bulkhead and I can't get the nose piece off. I don't know how to "check for power" anyway, even if I can get at something. Do I do this with the multimeter? How? What settings? I'm not even sure I plugged the leads into the correct places on the multimeter. There are 2 leads & 3 holes. Red meter lead to the middle hole black to the bottom. 3 clicks to the left/counter clock wise (20) will be the dc 20 volt scale good for checking voltage. Ask ask ask, that meter is plenty good for trouble shooting. John |
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Post by surfpick on Aug 12, 2015 12:26:02 GMT -5
Both the schematic provided by scooter & the one below from someone elsewhere show my part as #38 Part #38 on the exploded diagram is the starter relay.  Well, I looked at a couple of places selling this part and scrolled beneath the diagram to check the list of prices. I then remembered that bikebandit sponsors forums and I've bought from them before so I went to their site. I saw what looked like the same diagram as everywhere else and scrolled down to #38 in the price list. Prices for this part were varying wildly & I was happy to see $30.74 I checked the name of part #38 on the bikebandit site and it is listed as "Relay Assembly" Well, it turns out the schematic is identical except that I didn't notice that bikebandit has changed the number of the part to #17, not #38 I accessed the return link on bikebandit and had to wait for contact. They just contacted me to tell me that they don't take returns on ANY oem parts. Here is the bikebandit schematic with the different labeling than elsewhere: www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/2008-yamaha-morphous-cp250x/o/m144929#sch588976 |
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