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Post by zml661415 on May 28, 2015 2:46:00 GMT -5
Hey all this is my first post im a scooter-er (haha) from long island NY. I have a shanghai metian mt50qt (50CC) scooter. I love it I use it all the time. It has excellent braking power nice acceleration, decent top end, on a long straight away I can get it just above 50MPH. Anyways what I really dont like is that the suspension sucks! Especially here in NY where the roads are more like craters any little bump and its like the scooter is trying to throw me off. The tires are 120-70 12" for both.
So since I loved scootering so much I wanted to upgrade to something faster and a lot smoother on the suspension, so I said let me get a vespa, went on ebay got a vespa turns out to be a salvaged sandy special not worth messing with all kinds of weird stuff going on like sticky acceleration, weird engine noises and salvage title, funky electrical (all of which the seller hid, working on getting my money back via ebay) which is a PIA to deal with.
Then I said let me get a brand new scooter I looked at the Honda PYX150 they wanted 3200! and that doesn't include all the fees which would equate to just under 4k Looked at a yamaha $3700, looked at vespas since hey thats the dream 4-7k plus a kidney in misc fees. While I love scootering the gap between chinese and high end is quite substantial. Im not ready to take out a second mortgage for a scooter. (lol)
So to clarify I want something faster that I could take very short extremely infrequent trips on parkway and something that will be smooth here in crater road new york. So will bigger tires help me get that smoothness? I really liked the new taotao quantum but its the same 12" tires so Im afraid suspension will be just as bad. I was looking at some 16" scooters is that too big? would 13" or 14" be a better fit? would it make a huge difference? Could it be just my suspension is bad? it doesnt really bounce which is generally an indicator with cars that they are bad.
Can anyone chime in if they live here and have a Chinese scooter 150CC and up with a nice smooth comfortable ride, oh that reminds me my seat is terribly uncomfortable too I cant ride comfortably for more than an hr. Im not looking for a maxi scooter, also im only 130lbs and 5"8 so I can fly on these smaller engines. I rented a Kymco Agility 125 in rome and those roads are terrible too and it was so smooth I just looked at kymcos site and the tires on those seem to be 12" too which i feel cant be, perhaps it really was just a matter of better suspension, which leads me to believe other brands could have 12" tires and still be smoother than my metian. (how is taotao suspension esp on the quantum:-)
I would buy used but im so frustrated of searching day in and out on craigslist, scooterfinds and ebay, and I don't want another repeat of the vespa ordeal, I am pretty mechanical and feel I buy something new ill take care of it and make it last.
Thanks so much! Hopefully Ill get a pic posted of my 50cc soon.
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Post by scooter on May 28, 2015 4:35:46 GMT -5
So since I loved scootering so much I wanted to upgrade to something faster and a lot smoother on the suspension.. Here's an article about some new, inexpensive, motorcycles out now, made by the same brands that make scooters: www.allmotornews.com/10-best-cheap-motorcycles/
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Post by zml661415 on May 28, 2015 4:38:37 GMT -5
thanks for the post but i've owned a ninja 250 and sold it I do not like manual transmissions, I realize I must manage my expectations the scooter isnt terrible it just needs better suspension, the kymco in rome was fine. Im looking at the SSR Znen Pacifica 150 (16" wheels) I really like it. I think I might go with that, any thoughts? Also by faster I didnt mean 80mph, I meant like 55-65mph is all I need. Would not want to go more than that its not necessary and i'm not suicidal.
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Post by SylvreKat on May 28, 2015 6:58:03 GMT -5
Welcome!
First, bigger tires do make a smoother ride. Imagine your 12" wheel hitting a NY crater, then a 16" wheel doing the same. More of the 12"-er is going into that crater, more of the 16"-er is staying out of it. So less bottoming out in holes.
Second, Kymco is an excellent brand. Pricewise a nice in-between to Chinese and Japanese/Italian. Quality-wise not noticeably less than Jap/It. Only thing is they are typically taller--there's no way I could drive one unless I slid off the seat at every stop.
Third, don't get in a hurry. I know you're eager to get your new bigger smoother scoot, but you do have reliable transportation right now so there's no real need to rush. If you don't get too eager, you can try for a better deal from a dealer. Or you might find that perfect "good deal" on CL next week.
Oh, and while Vespa seems to be "the ideal," you can get the exact same quality with a Piaggio. They make Vespas (and Aprillias, which is an awesome scoot according to rocky) but are cheaper than the Vespas. You're paying more for that name and nothing else.
Keep us posted how the search goes. And don't fret--you'll find the right scoot if you're just a bit patient.
>'Kat
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 28, 2015 8:12:33 GMT -5
Hey, WELCOME to the site! Have a bone on the Old Chopper Guy for putting some good thought into choosing a scooter to really meet your needs. Being light weight, you DO have an advantage over us "ample" riders... LOL! You can get by with fewer cc's than most of us...
I think many of us would agree with Kat about the larger wheels being a good move for you. My first scooter was a Chinese Xingyue 150 with 13" wheels. I found it to be a GREAT all-round ride up to its top speed of approx. 60 mph. The 13" wheels handled most bumps fine, and the suspension was "adequate" for me. I rode the scoot for 7 years, and traded it on a used Kymco 250 simply because around here, I really DO need 70+ mph speed just to safely stay with traffic... Even on local SURFACE STREETS... Yup!
The Kymco 250 has 12" wheels (120/70/12 front, 140/70/12 rear) and is fine for me, even cruising at 65+ but you'd find them small and rough, based on your post. Like Kat, I'd recommend Italian brands which are of GREAT quality, and often can be had affordably, and used models can be a great buy.
My only experience with large-wheel scooters was this Kymco "People 200" my dealer loaned me while he changed tires on my 250. It was amazing! I almost considered swapping back for it, instead of the 250! I liked it THAT much. It's not a true 200, but a 163 cc air-cooled GY6 type. Simple, air-cooled, carbureted, easy to maintain, with no bells and whistles, but handled great, and would hit 69 mph with my 235 pounds aboard. One of those bikes that was just a joy to ride. It was 6 years old with only 2K miles on the clock; almost "like new" condition, and sold for $1,500 which seems to me, like a good deal from a dealer.
The Italian large-wheel scoots are similar, and may be more available depending on your location. I did find the 17" wheels were much more forgiving of potholes and bumps than my 12-inchers. Acceleration was VERY good, and the ONLY thing I didn't truly love about this little Kymco was that even though listed at nearly the same weight as my 250, it felt "feather-light". I could "thrash" it and standing by it, lean it over till the bars nearly touch the ground, then pick it up with one hand... It almost puts itself on the center-stand! I can NOT do that with my 250. Not a bad thing, especially when maneuvering into a parking spot, or riding in city traffic, but a tad more "twitchy" in monster crosswinds... But ANYTHING on two wheels is a little that way in heavy wind.
I am an old-school biker, used to big bikes: choppers and baggers, so the scooter experience is quite a change. I'm just too old and arthritic these days to climb onto big bikes, and have fallen in love with step-through scooters... still happy with them after more than 8 years.
I realize EVERYTHING in New York is much more expensive than in Texas, so I can't estimate how much you might have to pay for a good, large-wheel ride. I do believe that you CAN find either a new one on sale, OR a good used one from Italy or Taiwan for under $2,000.
If possible, try to test-ride as many scoots as possible to get the best impression of just what suits you best. While most all brands today are good, my experiences make me lean toward all the Italian brands, and Taiwanese Kymco and Sym. Just me. My old 250 weighs 350 pounds and rides MUCH smoother than my old Chinese 150 rode... The heavier the bike, the smoother the ride, but in New York traffic I'd probably sacrifice smoothness to go "light" for nimble handling.
Whatever you choose, do ride carefully. Those potholes can even dump you off a Harley, or a Honda Gold Wing!
Ride safe, and please keep us posted!
Leo in Texas
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Post by JerryScript on May 28, 2015 10:09:09 GMT -5
The Kymco 200 is the same design as the ZN150T-18, just with different body panels. I'm loving mine, and I had the same desires mentioned by the OP when I was searching for it, a bit more speed but mainly a smoother ride!
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Post by zml661415 on May 28, 2015 12:35:15 GMT -5
I ordered the Znen SSR Pacifica 150 1404 total from power ride outlet.!! THANKS cant wait to share my experience! I really like the taotao quantum speedo/tach, I hope I can install something like that down the road.
Thanks everyone, I wanted to go used but Im so stressed out from all the bad transactions and driving and testing and researching. Buy new treat right from beginning hopefully this will last me a good 5 years at least.
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Post by JerryScript on May 28, 2015 13:35:55 GMT -5
I know you'll be happy, hope you get lots of miles and smiles!
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Post by BadCattitude on May 28, 2015 18:16:10 GMT -5
The longer the wheelbase (distance from center of front wheel to center of rear wheel) the smoother the ride. Taller sidewall on the tires, also means smoother ride.
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Post by zml661415 on May 28, 2015 19:40:01 GMT -5
The longer the wheelbase (distance from center of front wheel to center of rear wheel) the smoother the ride. Taller sidewall on the tires, also means smoother ride. So did I make a good choice, can you teach me how to determine wheel base I know there are some measurements on the side of the tire, but I dont know what a baseline is.
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Post by JerryScript on May 28, 2015 22:41:22 GMT -5
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Post by steve on May 31, 2015 19:15:25 GMT -5
There is a shock underneath the seat, on the frame of the scooter. It's looks like the end of a rubber mallet, with 1/4 of it sticking into a tube. If your ride was that bad, I'd bet the rubber part came out of that tube, and got stuck on it. Happened to me, and before I figured out why every bump was rattling my fillings out, my frame broke.
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