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Post by geh3333 on May 21, 2015 22:23:59 GMT -5
I also just noticed he is using one of those so called "turbo" fans ! The ones that don't cool as good as the stock fans .
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Post by onewheeldrive on May 21, 2015 22:28:05 GMT -5
I like the idea of the alarm. Install it, forget about it, and periodically check it to make sure the readings aren't whacked.
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Post by geh3333 on May 21, 2015 22:43:59 GMT -5
Here is a more updated pic of the scoot . its still an old pic. The scoot is obviously heavily modded , and I read in the forum that as long as the cooler brings the oil temps back down to the nominal temps between 190-200 the everything is working as it should . so I'm going to take that this way . if you have a stock gy6 , your temps should be between 180-200f as you modd the scoot the temps will rise " obviously". Mine is modded with a 58.5 plus all the rest , and I'm at 212 f . bigger bbk'd scoots will bring higher temps due to the bigger friction area . will this hurt , probably not until you reach the near 300 range , but remember the hotter the engine the more likely the shorter it will last. That's why they make the oil coolers " to bring the temps back down to normal ". So I'm going to state this now as a fact. The nominal oil temps for a gy6 is between 180-200f It won't hurt to be a little higher bit depending on your setup it may indicate a problem . i194.photobucket.com/albums/z314/achidotcom/S6300552.jpg
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Post by geh3333 on May 21, 2015 23:13:55 GMT -5
I mentioned this already , but I believe I should emphasize this. I only hit the 212 mark if I run the scoot all out for a long distance and in summer temps. During the winter when I was riding , I never hit that mark. I don't want others to think my that no matter how I'm riding my temps stay at 212f . my normal temps just cruzin are between 80-90c which is 176-194f. We got so stuck on the 212 mark that I thought I should remind everyone what my normal temps are. But yes they do get as high as 212f when running hard in the summer. " when my oil pump is working.
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Post by geh3333 on May 21, 2015 23:15:40 GMT -5
I like the idea of the alarm. Install it, forget about it, and periodically check it to make sure the readings aren't whacked. The main thing is , we need to know where to set the alarm . a 230f would be a good mark.
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Post by scooter on May 21, 2015 23:24:43 GMT -5
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Post by geh3333 on May 21, 2015 23:45:32 GMT -5
At this point I believe we have already proven what the normal temps should be . I mean , all different methods and all giving the same results 180-200! I can still do a test , but I feel as if I have been testing this for the past 4 years. My gauge although cheap , is reading what everyone else who has tested is reading. So I believe its time to call this . I can still do the test bit I know it is going to give me the normal reading. The speed test , the speedo accuracy test , the 32mm carb " well I've been using it for 4 years now and with great success so that's proven a myth , now the nominal gy6,temps are a solid 180-200 . I just want everyone too remember , please test your theory before ragging on someone . or actually please test your theory and if you are correct , still don't rag on someone , just state the facts , present the evidence and make the conclusion. Please don't take this as an " I told you so " this is just someone who has fallen into these situations , because others jump out and say " is he for real " , so yes , I am for real and this is why we need to keep that stuff to our selves . if you have a disagreement , please state the reason why and we will work it out. Every one here benefits from this thread . we now know what the nominal oil temps should be for a stock gy6 and a heavily modded 58.5 bbk'd scoot . everyone benefits from this. My speed video shows what's possible , my speedo accuracy video , well that was because I was told I was lying. That didn't benefit anyone and was a bad time for this forum . the 32mm carb debate gave many others the opportunity to try and succeed in using a bigger carb for better performance. And I think this thread may be the most important, because it gives everyone the correct info about what temps we should be running and possibly saves the member from destroying their engine .
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Post by geh3333 on May 21, 2015 23:50:36 GMT -5
At this point I believe we have already proven what the normal temps should be . I mean , all different methods and all giving the same results 180-200! I can still do a test , but I feel as if I have been testing this for the past 4 years. My gauge although cheap , is reading what everyone else who has tested is reading. So I believe its time to call this . I can still do the test bit I know it is going to give me the normal reading. The speed test , the speedo accuracy test , the 32mm carb " well I've been using it for 4 years now and with great success so that's proven a myth , now the nominal gy6,temps are a solid 180-200 . I just want everyone too remember , please test your theory before ragging on someone . or actually please test your theory and if you are correct , still don't rag on someone , just state the facts , present the evidence and make the conclusion. Please don't take this as an " I told you so " this is just someone who has fallen into these situations , because others jump out and say " is he for real " , so yes , I am for real and this is why we need to keep that stuff to our selves . if you have a disagreement , please state the reason why and we will work it out. Every one here benefits from this thread . we now know what the nominal oil temps should be for a stock gy6 and a heavily modded 58.5 bbk'd scoot . everyone benefits from this. My speed video shows what's possible , my speedo accuracy video , well that was because I was told I was lying. That didn't benefit anyone and was a bad time for this forum . the 32mm carb debate gave many others the opportunity to try and succeed in using a bigger carb for better performance. And I think this thread may be the most important, because it gives everyone the correct info about what temps we should be running and possibly saves the member from destroying their engine . I don't think that gauge is a temp gauge , I think it show if the oil is full somehow , I'm not sure?
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Post by geh3333 on May 21, 2015 23:59:54 GMT -5
If you notice they are all talking about the head and plug temps . this is more proof of lower oil temps! They talk about someone on the forum who " knows his stuff " and he says to set the sensor for 270f . the others seem like its a little low , but the one who knows his stuff is telling them a lower temp . this completely makes sense , the temps at the plug and head will be higher then the oil temps. I bet the guy who had readings in the 320's no longer has that engine , lol.
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Post by scooter on May 22, 2015 0:07:13 GMT -5
I don't think that gauge is a temp gauge , I think it show if the oil is full somehow , I'm not sure? I don't know. It looks like a temp gauge with a "token" in place of the dial.
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Post by geh3333 on May 22, 2015 0:13:50 GMT -5
The explanation on the last link you posted is a little too high for me , lol. It says to slow down and let cool if it hits 150 degrees c which is 302f . if the needle does a full rotation an hits 10c again then that's 302 degrees. My gauge needle never made a full rotation , so I was only around 270 or so. That tells you something right there. My scoot had a non functional oil pump and still never hit 300f . that shows you how low these scoots oil temps normally run . this is the thing . can we get away with running at 250 or even 270+ , and the answer is yes ! But this is not the norm for these scoots and more then likely points to an issue like running lean or a bad oil pump. Like I said before , how many of these China scoots actually make it to 20k miles. One reason is because there are no temp gauges on these scoots ! And if these pumps burn out so easy , how many have a bad pump and do not know it ? And if they suspect such an issue and buy a temp gauge and are told that the 300+ degree reading is normal , well that's a disaster waiting to happen and there was no way for that poor guy to know any better. But now at least we've put it out there , and the more I search the more I find I'm not the first to do so . I really hope this helps at least one person keep their scoot from the junk yard .
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Post by geh3333 on May 22, 2015 0:18:42 GMT -5
I don't think that gauge is a temp gauge , I think it show if the oil is full somehow , I'm not sure? I don't know. It looks like a temp gauge with a "token" in place of the dial. A token , lol. Maybe it just spins really fast as it gets hotter , just like a wind vane, lol, bit its just for show . people will watch it spin as we scoot passed and say " wow ,look at that thing spin ! , " lol
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Post by scooter on May 22, 2015 0:25:26 GMT -5
The explanation on the last link you posted is a little too high for me , lol. It says to slow down and let cool if it hits 150 degrees c which is 302f . if the needle does a full rotation an hits 10c again then that's 302 degrees. My scoot never made a full rotation , so I was only around 270 or so. That tells you something right there. My scoot had a non functional oil pump and still never hit 300f . that shows you how low these scoots oil temps normally run . this is the thing . can we get away with running at 250 or even 270+ , and the answer is yes ! But this is not the norm for these scoots and more then likely points to an issue like running lean or a bad oil pump. Like I said before , how many of these China scoots actually make it to 20k miles. One reason is because there are no temp gauges on these scoots ! And if these pumps burn out so easy , how many have a bad pump and do not know it ? And if they suspect such an issue and buy a temp gauge and are told that the 300+ degree reading is normal , well that's a disaster waiting to happen and there was no way for that poor guy to know any better. But now at least we've put it out there , and the more I search the more I find I'm not the first to do so . I really hope this helps at least one person keep their scoot from the junk yard . I agree. I posted this itistheride.boards.net/post/93687/threadLet's see if our friends here will help us all out by playing mad scientist with us.
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Post by geh3333 on May 22, 2015 4:07:46 GMT -5
Here is a post from buford1488 : i use glyptal in all my racing engines it fill's all those nuks and cranys left behind from casting. makes oil run smooth and cleaner and not so hot. i really think over 220 degrees your pushing it. but i'v seen them 265+ but thats when a engine builder's heart get's a hammer'ing. now 300 never heard of that excuse my ignorance. just saying..thanks love this board. buford...... Read more: thescooterprofessor.proboards.com/thread/946#ixzz3arAUY7cG
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Post by geh3333 on May 22, 2015 19:05:03 GMT -5
New oil pump is on and Working !! I just have to wait to tighten the valve cover nuts, yes I had th use some gasket maker, lol, but my ports were not clogged. I imagine the pump burned up when in it the deer and the scoot fell on its side . it probably was sucking air for awhile.
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