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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 18:42:33 GMT -5
Well ramblin and I were talking about this last night. We both used the rtv gasket maker and we both seem to have high engine temps. Well I did a small test a couple mins ago. I took the valve cover off , hit the kill switch and turned the engine over . not a drop of oil is making it to the head! I imagine just turning the engine over should cause the oil to make its way to the head . so I either have a clog or a bad oil pump. I just replaced it not long ago. I think my old pump is still good , but I'm not sure . I'm gonna have to tear the side cover off and remove th pump . hopefully its just clogged and will work again. .
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 18:44:31 GMT -5
I knew my temps seemed high , I never really past the 212 degree mark even on a  degree day. Now its that higher on a 60 degree day , even higher ! |
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 18:51:24 GMT -5
Can u see.the oil port in the top of the head ? I can't locate it .
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 19:20:58 GMT -5
If I find that the pump or passage is clogged , I'm gonna say that is it a big NO when it comes to using gasket maker on any of the engine gaskets !! When I hear others have temps close to 300degrees " oil temps " then I believe others possibly have this problem . I know for sure in about an hour .
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Post by ramblinman on May 18, 2015 20:02:41 GMT -5
Can u see.the oil port in the top of the head ? I can't locate it . it flows through the cylinder studs into the rocker arm then i believe into the cam then shoots 2 streams like snake venom. at least that is what i observed. my kill switch shut down all power to the starter so i started my engine with the cover off for about 2 seconds. |
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Post by ramblinman on May 18, 2015 20:06:52 GMT -5
hard to say if it's clogged or bad pump. it seems like something is wrong.you could try starting it for a second or 2, if you don't see oil then it is definitely bad pump or clogged. if you have time to do the work it's safer on your gaskets to pull the engine apart than to do what i did.
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 20:34:40 GMT -5
hard to say if it's clogged or bad pump. it seems like something is wrong.you could try starting it for a second or 2, if you don't see oil then it is definitely bad pump or clogged. if you have time to do the work it's safer on your gaskets to pull the engine apart than to do what i did. Which way does the arrow on the oil pump face ? Up or down ? I forget . I took it off without looking. |
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Post by ramblinman on May 18, 2015 20:41:11 GMT -5
hard to say if it's clogged or bad pump. it seems like something is wrong.you could try starting it for a second or 2, if you don't see oil then it is definitely bad pump or clogged. if you have time to do the work it's safer on your gaskets to pull the engine apart than to do what i did. Which way does the arrow on the oil pump face ? Up or down ? I forget . I took it off without looking. i've never installed one.  |
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 23:14:13 GMT -5
I got it. I didn't notice anything . when I spun the pumpnin reverse , oil came out , so I guess the pump is working. Well actually in had to put the old one on , because I cracked the new one ! The old one was OK I think. I guess I'll find out .
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Post by geh3333 on May 19, 2015 0:02:14 GMT -5
Well here are the results. Got everything back together and still no oil to the head . I even started it and let it run for a minute , so I have to order a new oil pump and a new side cover gasket. Hopefully that fixes it.
Everything was fine until I hit the deer . my scoot fell on the right side and kept running for about 30 seconds. I believe the pump ran dry for that 30 seconds and stopped working.
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Post by ramblinman on May 19, 2015 3:23:40 GMT -5
Well here are the results. Got everything back together and still no oil to the head . I even started it and let it run for a minute , so I have to order a new oil pump and a new side cover gasket. Hopefully that fixes it. Everything was fine until I hit the deer . my scoot fell on the right side and kept running for about 30 seconds. I believe the pump ran dry for that 30 seconds and stopped working. at least you caught it before further damage. |
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Post by onewheeldrive on May 19, 2015 4:32:51 GMT -5
The arrow goes "up", for anyone wondering about the oil pump installation.
Hopefully the new pump works. I can't help but think that even with the scoot on its side running for 30 seconds, the pump would still be coated in oil, regardless if it was pumping oil or not. Maybe that's all it takes, and if so, that's not very comforting-- then again, IIRC, you had about 20k on it?
Exactly what would fail in the pump? I don't think I've ever seen the inside(s).
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Post by tvnacman on May 19, 2015 4:42:54 GMT -5
its a basic pump design, when I do rebuilds I prime the pump all the way to the valve's. I don't check for squirting remember I'm priming by hand.
John
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Post by onewheeldrive on May 19, 2015 22:50:58 GMT -5
its a basic pump design, when I do rebuilds I prime the pump all the way to the valve's. I don't check for squirting remember I'm priming by hand. John Yeah they are simple. I just want to see one cut open--- I'm a nerd like that! |
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Post by geh3333 on May 20, 2015 3:06:16 GMT -5
its a basic pump design, when I do rebuilds I prime the pump all the way to the valve's. I don't check for squirting remember I'm priming by hand. John How do you prime the oil pump. You have to have the side cover on to get the oil to flow up to the valves. Or do you just turn the crank by hand until oil flows out the valves ? |
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degree day. Now its that higher on a 60 degree day , even higher !
