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Post by tvnacman on Feb 4, 2015 18:51:40 GMT -5
Here's the thread. I'm sorry DM but there is no full wave stator. A stator produces AC current, either through two wires that are at each end of all of the coils, or a white and yellow wire where the white is the long wire through the coils, and the yellow which is center tapped on the white. Read this thread. The full or half wave part comes into play with the rectifier. It either rectifies just half of the waveform or the full waveform with a bridge rectifier. Just because a stator doesn't have a magneto coil to generate AC power for an AC CDI does not mean it's a DC stator or a full wave stator. It means it's a stator that generates AC power that does not have a magneto coil. Just because a stator has a magneto coil to generate energy for an AC CDI does not mean it's an AC stator or a half wave stator. A stator is a stator, it generates AC current, so does the magneto coil if it's present. There's no half wave or full wave stator, no DC stator. They are AC making devices, what you do with the current after that is your choice. You can have a stator with a magneto coil and not use the magneto coil, it's still an AC stator. You just choose to run a DC CDI off of the battery and let the magneto coil screw off like my step son. You can use the magneto coil to power an AC CDI and force it to work which is like pulling teeth with Pete (my stepson  ). The trigger coil is a completely separate entity from the stator, it has nothing to do with the stator. It only makes low level AC current for the CDI to initiate the spark. Did you read my replies or just randomly post that? I know stators produce only AC. It's called either AC or DC to illustrate if it has a dedicated coil.... If someone wants to replace a burnt out stator and has a DC DCI, they should get DC stator... It's the same thing for half/full wave.... There is no such thing as a 2 wire full wave GY6 rectifier. All GY6 Full wave R/R are fed from a three phase supply. That three phase supply is the Stator. the 11, 12 and 18 pole stators are all three phase. 6 and 8 pole are only single phase and there are no 2 wire GY6 R/R's that will produce a full wave. ======================= Now, let's get with the facts of this thread.... The OP said he recently installed an 11 pole stator. My advice to him was that if he wanted to capture the most power he can, he would get a full wave R/R to match his three phase stator. Do you disagree with that advice? Wether or not you or TVNACMAN calls them AC or DC is meaningless... Every single parts store (except johns) list them as AC or DC... This helps the buyer match them to their currect CDI... Not to indicate they produce DC current... What vendors do you speak for ? No 6 or 8 pole stators are full wave ? where did you find this info ? full wave and half wave regulators where did you find that info ? Are there markings on them ? tell us and others that read this where the markings are or how to tell ? keep in mind others that know next to nothing maybe reading this today tomorrow next year . We need to police ourselves and be sure that good info is left behind . As of today 2/4/15 I don't know any Chinese factories that put out any electrical specs . If there is a new stator on the market that makes direct current I want to see it . I can tell you the written description is dead on in bashin's post on scooter doc . I know there are others here that have read and reread the thread . John |
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Post by JoeyBee on Feb 4, 2015 19:20:53 GMT -5
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Post by dmartin95 on Feb 4, 2015 20:15:11 GMT -5
No 6 or 8 pole stators are full wave ? where did you find this info ? full wave and half wave regulators where did you find that info ? The Stator and R/R work together... Are you aware of this? Everyone on this forum that has a 150cc chinese scooter has one of two STOCK setups. A 6/8 single phase stator that comes with a half wave R/R. The 11/12/18 pole are three phase stators that come stock with full wave R/R's... There are no stock scooters that I am aware of that come in with a single phase stator and a full wave R/R... You would be using a single phase, full wave... This configuration does exist, but not for any scooters that I am aware of.... However, if you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know this... You know, you're right, other people will read this and realize you're reading comprehension is not very good.... I have said on multiple occasions stators are not DC.... I smoke Marlboro Reds... That doesn't mean my cigs are red.... Same thing with a "DC" stator... They do NOT make DC currect, they're called DC or AC to designate what CDI it's mated up with... Do you seriously not understand this??? I can tell you you're trying to drag Bashan into this because YOU don't know what you're talking about... |
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Post by dmartin95 on Feb 4, 2015 20:23:05 GMT -5
LOL.... Actually, I don't know if I should LOL or not... TVNACMAN is getting weird... He's been following me around for a while now hoping I will make a mistake with something... He's my own personal online stalker... I don't know if I should be flattered or creeped out.... He tries telling people I copy and paste things I don't understand... I believe he seriously thinks I'm a pretender and he's on a crusade to expose me.... But ya see, I come from an IT field and reading wiring diagrams and understanding how the GY6 electrical system works is almost like second nature for me.... One thing I can tell ya for sure, he's clueless... I know enough that I'm not going to let him turn this thread into pissing match and I'm just walking away from it.... |
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Post by JoeyBee on Feb 4, 2015 21:15:26 GMT -5
Okay, I will be the first to admit that my previous comment was not helpful at improving the tone of this thread. This thread has so much good information that all shouldn’t be lost to a disagreement. But some comments should to be proned away, including mine.
It is very understandable how a disagreement can start from very minor technicalities when we have two very knowledgeable electrical gurus. But from what I have learned from the two, maybe I can answer the original poster’s question.
1)Is there a difference between A/C and D/C rectifier? I know my bike has an AC stator.
Yes, scooters will either have an A/C or D/C rectifier. The majority of scooter are A/C, so you should look for an A/C replacement.
2) Now when the bike is idling, the voltage fluctuates, around 14V, but sometimes it dips below 12 for a split second, and sometimes it spikes to 15.8V for a split second. Is this normal for the rectifier to do that?
Sounds like you are drawing to many amps from your system.
3) I currently have a LED headlight system wired directly to the battery with an inline switch and I get this random flickering of the LED lights. It doesn't happen all the time and is not readily reproducible. The wiring is solid with no loose connections and everything is insulated properly. For the sake of simplicity, let's just assume the wiring the the LED headlights is perfectly fine, and the scooter battery is in good condition, could the randomly dipping and spiking voltage coming from the battery caused by a faulty rectifier? The battery charges fine on the scooter and I never have a weak start, even if I leave the bike alone for weeks.
Again, sounds like you are putting so much strain upon your system with your extra addictions.
4) If my rectifier is indeed working correctly, what I can do to get a stable 12V power line where there is no fluctuations in voltage? Something like a 12V voltage regulator?
As you stated you recent installed an 11 pole magneto, but without upgrading your rectifier/regulator (R/R) the extra power is not being fully utilized since stock R/R are not full-phase.
Hopefully I am on point, and utilizing the information on this thread correctly. So to fix this problem OP should upgrade their R/R to a full phase unit. I forgot who posted it but a very good video was provided on how to properly upgrade a scooter to full-phase.
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Post by tvnacman on Feb 4, 2015 21:49:57 GMT -5
No 6 or 8 pole stators are full wave ? where did you find this info ? full wave and half wave regulators where did you find that info ? The Stator and R/R work together... Are you aware of this? Everyone on this forum that has a 150cc chinese scooter has one of two STOCK setups. A 6/8 single phase stator that comes with a half wave R/R. The 11/12/18 pole are three phase stators that come stock with full wave R/R's... There are no stock scooters that I am aware of that come in with a single phase stator and a full wave R/R... You would be using a single phase, full wave... This configuration does exist, but not for any scooters that I am aware of.... However, if you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know this... You know, you're right, other people will read this and realize you're reading comprehension is not very good.... I have said on multiple occasions stators are not not AC.... I smoke Marlboro Reds... That doesn't mean my cigs are red.... Same thing with a "DC" stator... They do NOT make DC currect, they're called DC or AC to designate what CDI it's mated up with... Do you seriously not understand this??? I can tell you you're trying to drag Bashan into this because YOU don't know what you're talking about... OK cut paste repete king , just make an effort to be little. What vendors do you rep , what factory fid you get your information from . You choose to bash , because you can not back it up . Info to cut and paste is hard to come by . Come on cut paste and repete king. John |
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Post by bashan on Feb 4, 2015 23:12:36 GMT -5
Did you read my replies or just randomly post that? There is no such thing as a 2 wire full wave GY6 rectifier. All GY6 Full wave R/R are fed from a three phase supply. That three phase supply is the Stator. the 11, 12 and 18 pole stators are all three phase. 6 and 8 pole are only single phase and there are no 2 wire GY6 R/R's that will produce a full wave.
I must disagree on "All GY6 Full wave R/R are fed from a three phase supply." I took a GY6 WYG stator and removed the center tap. It was a little dynamo of a two wire lighting coil AC generator. Now it had to be paired with the Trail Tech full wave R/R that uses a two wire supply. A bridge rectifier will produce DC current from a two wire AC supply. A bridge rectifier will not work properly from a three phase supply. Did you read my links or just randomly post that.?  Just poking DM....relax. Here's a GY6 two yellow wire stator that could be used with a two wire full wave R/R. A two yellow wire GY6 stator produces a single phase waveform....true. But a bridge rectifier will rectify single phase with full wave rectification. That just means it takes the plus and minus part of the waveform and turns it into DC as opposed to just the plus side. I do go on sometimes but I'm only trying to help folks get by the difficulties that I stumbled through. Don't assume you have a lock on a subject, I learned that a long time ago. And don't think I'm trying to be condescending, I'm just trying to help. Rich |
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Post by JerryScript on Feb 5, 2015 2:16:45 GMT -5
One note for the OP: If you're having issues with LEDs blinking, it may be due to a lack of enough load rather than too much overall draw on the system. Many times you have to add a resistor to the circuit when switching to LED lights.
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