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Post by redsilver on Sept 12, 2014 13:46:44 GMT -5
Hello All, I'm trying to find a windshield for my recently purchased scooter. Found two. One says I must remove my front American style turn indicators up by the handle bars. I have two other turn indicators not hooked up in the body down lower. The windshield supplier says I have to hook those up. I wondering how hard that will be plus then I'm not totally legal. The second windshield is a "universal" fit that the guy from the supplier said might fit. He was not totally sure. This is kind of a rare scooter so these are the only options I've found so far. Any ideas?
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Post by rockynv on Sept 12, 2014 22:15:35 GMT -5
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Post by redsilver on Sept 13, 2014 14:30:33 GMT -5
Looked into the Puig screen. I was able to find a distributor near me but nothing at any of several online suppliers. I'll contact the distributor Monday. The Puig is smaller in height and width than the Slipstreamer universal 50 series and it is tinted "smoke". Don't know where I stand on the look over or look through a windshield or the smoke color. I don't really see why it has to be tinted other than for a certain more racing look. As usual it seem to come down to two choices.
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Post by rockynv on Sept 14, 2014 4:00:52 GMT -5
The smoke don't yellow with age and seem to hold up better from my experience but yours may differ. More important to me than the smoke or clear part of the equation was the apparently better aerodynamics of the Puig over most of the others out there. It was almost like getting an extra 50 or 100 cc or in other words the benefit of a BBK or other performance mod by just bolting on a Sport Fairing instead of a Wind Shield.
Heeters carries the Puig as does Super Bike Toy Store in Stuart Florida. Many who do carry Puig do not list all of those available on their web sites and you need to call and ask. I got the best delivered price from Super Bike Toy Store.
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Post by redsilver on Sept 18, 2014 14:00:17 GMT -5
Where does the wind coming over the Puig hit on you? I know it helps performance but how is the wind protection? The only other screen I've found for this scooter is one that is called a universal 50 but it is listed as for Kymcos. It is 5 inches higher. Does it come down to choosing for performance or protection?
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Post by shalomdawg on Sept 18, 2014 16:31:06 GMT -5
howdy, i would be interested if there is anyone on here that can answer the question because it would take wind tunnel and dyno testing to say how a windshield would perform on a particular machine? an opinion is that if you have an adjustable windshield you could try adjusting and see what works best for you and the scooter.
lotsa miles and smiles to ya
ken
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Post by rockynv on Sept 18, 2014 23:40:13 GMT -5
Where does the wind coming over the Puig hit on you? I know it helps performance but how is the wind protection? The only other screen I've found for this scooter is one that is called a universal 50 but it is listed as for Kymcos. It is 5 inches higher. Does it come down to choosing for performance or protection? The Puig depending on how you have it adjusted can hit you above the shoulders in the helmet area which here in Semi-Tropical Florida is just fine. You will find the Kymco USA themselves distribute the Puig as an accessory for their bikes. I don't know why so many people are afraid of wind unless they are wearing very poorly designed full face helmets. With a half helmet at interstate speeds the Sport City in stock configuration is unbearable while with the Puig its tolerable however I have sworn off the brain buckets as they are little better than a bicycle helmet in a crash. 3/4 helmets can be even worse at catching the wind and giving you neck strain. With a barn door windshield if you ride here you then need to consider air vanes to direct wind around the windshield to help cool you off when the roadways are over 100 degrees and the sun is searing you through your clothes. Butt dyno showed that wind without a windshield hits you in the chest like a big hand and noticeably slows you down (I have a 50 chest so this is very apparent) while with a standard barn door tall windshield you just feel that someone has hit the brakes. With the Puig the first thing the Butt Dyno noticed was the bike felt lighter and more powerful having better acceleration merging onto the Interstate and while you will notice a head wind its no longer like someone is grabbing the brake on you. Interstate fuel economy before installing the Puig was in the low to mid 50 mpg (50 to 55) range with a strong headwind at times holding you to 65 mph while afterwards it went up in the mid to high 60 mpg (65 to 69) range with cruising at 75/80 mph into strong headwinds possible. It is more easy to lose track and find yourself cruising past 80 mph now so on a negative you have to watch you speed on the interstate. |
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Post by redsilver on Sept 19, 2014 10:56:28 GMT -5
My reason for more wind protection is for use during cold weather. I'm not saying you don't get cold weather in your part of Florida but my experience in traveling there is not as much as here in the Dallas area. Add in wind chill riding in the open and a mildly cold day gets colder. Any way I think I might just get both windshield and windscreen and install with the change of season. That way I can taylor my wind preference from none to full and take advantage from full to no protection!
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Post by rockynv on Sept 19, 2014 12:03:34 GMT -5
It gets into the mid to low 30's Fahrenheit here in Florida with the occasional dip into the upper 20's. That's what winter base layers and liners are for. I ride pretty close to 365 days a year now and its never too hot or cold and I am not constantly reconfiguring the bike instead I just dress for the weather. The windshield to me is for economy and aerodynamics.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 23, 2014 15:04:44 GMT -5
My reason for more wind protection is for use during cold weather. I'm not saying you don't get cold weather in your part of Florida but my experience in traveling there is not as much as here in the Dallas area. Add in wind chill riding in the open and a mildly cold day gets colder. Any way I think I might just get both windshield and windscreen and install with the change of season. That way I can taylor my wind preference from none to full and take advantage from full to no protection! Welcome to the site!
I too live in the Dallas area (Grapevine) and ride an old Kymco Grandvista 250... Mechanically the same scoot as your "Bet n' Win". I know your front end is different from mine, but the factory GIVI windshield on the Grandvista/Grand Dink is absolutely fabulous. It REALLY works, and keeps my hands warm too... I'm really protected from wind-chill in a way I never experienced on my past big bikes... Harley baggers, Honda road bikes, etc. Back in the sixties and seventies, the Harley windshield was like pushing a barn door, and even the Vetter Windjammer fairing did nothing to keep your hands warm. This GIVI windshield is a whole different animal.
If you can find a windshield that emulates the spread, curves and angles of the GIVI, and adapt it to your 250, you will be VERY happy. I think you could take some digital pix of the GV unit, and "eyeball" the similarities in other aftermarket units to achieve similar results.
For the record, I was never a big fan of ANY windshields UNTIL NOW... LOL! The sloping angle and wide flare of the Kymco GIVI windscreen are a perfect combination, and don't seem to me to hinder performance to any great extent.
Here are a couple of pix of mine for a reference... You can see how the top curves forward to form a vortex for your face, and how the bottom flares out to protect your hands.
The way that my particular factory windshield creates nearly a "bubble" of comfort around the rider is something I've never experienced before. It truly makes riding below "summer temps" a pleasure.
Hope this may help,
Leo in Texas
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Post by urbanmadness on Sept 23, 2014 19:54:07 GMT -5
Man, Leo, you keep that thing clean!
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 23, 2014 21:17:08 GMT -5
Man, Leo, you keep that thing clean! Urbanmadness,
You flatter me! Have a BONE!
Unfortunately, it's more a case of a very "forgiving" camera... and plenty of sun! And my dealer DID prep her VERY nicely... Old "Minnie Mouse" has her share of little dings and scrapes, all put lovingly there by the former owner, through serious use. But then, she's been from New York to LA, and Canada to Mexico, hauling a passenger and loaded with luggage. The original owner DID take good care of her, but rode the bejeebers out of her... Loaded-down and WOT. But everything still works right, she fires up at the first turn of the starter, and the mouse doesn't use a drop of oil OR water... and not even much gas... LOL!
White vehicles always seem to look a little better in pix than they actually do in person...
The mouse was traded in on a new Kymco 4-valve fuel-injected flat-floor step-through GT. A very nice ride! I tried one, and it MOVES! It's also a little "pricey"... But amazingly, I'd miss that windshield as much as I'd like the extra cc's power. It's THAT good!
Ride safe!
Leo
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Post by redsilver on Oct 1, 2014 10:24:18 GMT -5
The body difference with mine having the instrument cluster on the handle bars and separate from the main front body makes a big difference in what's available. There is one that looks similar but it's a european version and you have to remove the turn signals. Mine has turn signals in the body that are not used in this country. I'm just not that motivated right now to get into the job of a switch/conversion. It would then not technically pass state inspection. Right now I'm fine without a windshield/screen.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Oct 1, 2014 13:43:37 GMT -5
The body difference with mine having the instrument cluster on the handle bars and separate from the main front body makes a big difference in what's available. There is one that looks similar but it's a european version and you have to remove the turn signals. Mine has turn signals in the body that are not used in this country. I'm just not that motivated right now to get into the job of a switch/conversion. It would then not technically pass state inspection. Right now I'm fine without a windshield/screen. I haven't seen a Bet and Win in person, but it looks like your un-used turn-signals are down by the front fender like on mine. Mine ARE way low... Might not pass inspection in some states. Your separate handlebar/instrument-cluster make it difficult to get a really effective windshield installed. I can see that. It must be possible though.
If you don't need a windshield, the scooter surely LOOKS better without one. I almost removed mine, being used to riding without one for decades, but I got hooked on the comfort... LOL!
If you ever do need to replace or move your turn-signals, there are numerous inexpensive LED "stick-on" lights available now, and they look good and are EASY to install most anywhere. I added some to my trunk, and they look absolutely "factory".
Ride safe, and enjoy that sweet water-cooled 250... These old-style carbureted 250's are real workhorses... After a full year, I'm surely sold on mine! I wouldn't trade it for a new fuel-injected 300 (unless the windshield would transplant, and it won't).
Sincerely,
Leo in Texas
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