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Post by played1 on Mar 2, 2014 17:14:58 GMT -5
Just about done. Everything it hooked up. I'm very disappointed in the fuel injection line. I will be replacing all of the clear with actual Gates fuel injection line, and the clamp with Ideal fuel injection clamps. Right now I'm just trying to get it to run and stop backfiring. Kinda sucks that you have to wait for emails which seem to come in around 10pm. I'm just ready to be done with this. Check out the pics below. I flipped the throttle body so it would actually fit but it meant I had to put the MAP sensor on the manifold. Fuel was backing up into the line.  I've done my best for wire management. The fuel pump has to move because the seat won't go back down. I could heat it with the heat gun and mold it around it but right now I can easily stuff a 12-pack under my seat and I don't want to compromise.  Another view from right to left.  A view from above the throttle body. A general mess. There are 3 wire connections here and 1 fuel line. Best advice I can give on this, is to buy a box of hose clamps before you do this and Get a 2 feet of 5/32" and 7/32" vacuum line. If you go to advance do not buy hose clamps off the shelf. Ask for a commercial pack that they keep in back and do not offer to the public. A box of 10 should cost you $4.  Up close of the map. HOOK EVERYTHING TO THE THROTTLE BODY BEFORE BOLTING DOWN THE MANIFOLD!!!!!!! There is not a lot of room at this point to do anything without taking it in and out. Overall, this has been pretty good. I'm going to put together my receipts and put together a shopping list of any of you are interested in doing this. It's not that bad. You basically have to rip apart all of your plastics but the install itself is easy. It just takes longer if you want to go a little further and stretch things or add loom. By the way, this is a 2012 Peace Dart 150. And yes it was new and cheap. And for that cheap price, I got tires that were not round. |
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Post by tvnacman on Mar 2, 2014 18:43:45 GMT -5
I thought the MAP was after the air filter in the air stream . I wonder if the injected fuel after the throttle plate is knocking off your mix and causing the problem .
12 hour difference when dealing with China , thats why your emails are being answered at or after 10pm .
Hang in there you will get it sorted out .
John
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Post by played1 on Mar 2, 2014 18:49:20 GMT -5
You know, I bet you are right. I thought of that and dismissed it. But the weird thing is, is that it ran great the other day with the same setup.
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Post by played1 on Mar 2, 2014 18:51:06 GMT -5
I thought the MAP was after the air filter in the air stream . I wonder if the injected fuel after the throttle plate is knocking off your mix and causing the problem . 12 hour difference when dealing with China , thats why your emails are being answered at or after 10pm . Hang in there you will get it sorted out . John this is what he sent me though Matt of Ecotrons Feb 27 (3 days ago) to Support, me Yes, MAP sensor is probably temporarily damaged by the fuel. MAP sensor has to be higher than the throttle body. You can drill a hole on the top of the manifold and move the MAP sensor up there, if you have to run injector at the bottom. |
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Post by justbuggin2 on Mar 2, 2014 18:57:27 GMT -5
is the pump below the tank and are you using the vac petcock
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Post by tvnacman on Mar 2, 2014 19:11:49 GMT -5
it may have taken a day for the coating on the sensor to break down .
John
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Post by tvnacman on Mar 2, 2014 19:14:09 GMT -5
I understand the efi kits use dc cdi from the ecu , have you checked your charging system while its running . Low voltage hakes electronics go whacky .
John
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Post by played1 on Mar 2, 2014 21:09:01 GMT -5
I'm pushing 12 volts. I know both from the meter and I thought maybe it's not keeping up so I hit a car battery instead. I used the cdi provided with the kit. Unfortunately it killed my tach and my kill switch is just an ornament now.
No petcock on this tank and if you looked at the picture, you can obviously see the pump lower than the tank.
As for the Map sensor, I got 2. So when the first got wet, I used the other. I'm waiting for "Matt" to get back to me and I'll have more soon.
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Post by tvnacman on Mar 2, 2014 21:34:12 GMT -5
I suspect poor voltage , did upgrade the stator to 11pole ?
You need an active live running voltage reading with a meter . if your under 13vd staedy it maybe a voltage problem .
John
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Post by wilds on Mar 3, 2014 0:51:37 GMT -5
It looks like your fuel lines are wrong!  Why this splitt? Looks like it's attached to the injector and the other one where the MAP-sensor should be or to the valve cover. I can't see clearly on your images... This fuel line is not supposed to be splitted, it's supposed to go directly to the injector! This is how the fuel lines is supposed to be drawn:  And if you move the MAP-sensor you have to plug that hole on the throttle body. I didn't have any problems mounting the throttle body the other way and it looks like we have the same type of scooter.  Here's a link to my install: Wilds Efi kit install |
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Post by justbuggin2 on Mar 3, 2014 9:33:20 GMT -5
having the throttle body upside down can cause fuel to puddle up at the injector causing problems as well
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Post by played1 on Mar 3, 2014 10:41:54 GMT -5
It looks like your fuel lines are wrong! Why this splitt? Looks like it's attached to the injector and the other one where the MAP-sensor should be or to the valve cover. I can't see clearly on your images... This fuel line is not supposed to be splitted, it's supposed to go directly to the injector! This is how the fuel lines is supposed to be drawn: And if you move the MAP-sensor you have to plug that hole on the throttle body. I didn't have any problems mounting the throttle body the other way and it looks like we have the same type of scooter. Here's a link to my install: Wilds Efi kit installf you notice, we have a completely different setup. You have the bubble type fuel pump kit. I have the small fuel pump. Check out the new instruction manual which includes routing and hook up of both systems. |
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Post by played1 on Mar 3, 2014 10:44:46 GMT -5
having the throttle body upside down can cause fuel to puddle up at the injector causing problems as well I thought the same thing which is why I asked "Matt". But the thing is, it has run fine. Ecotrons got back to me last night and he wants me to send the recording off the ECU. Man by the time I'm done with this, I hope I learn something... |
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Post by wilds on Mar 3, 2014 15:47:02 GMT -5
f you notice, we have a completely different setup. You have the bubble type fuel pump kit. I have the small fuel pump. Check out the new instruction manual which includes routing and hook up of both systems. That explains the splitt of the fuel line...  Hopefully Matt can read something out from the log and that it's an easy fix and email you a new data file. EFI kits are great but if there's some problems with the ECU it can be hard to find if one doesn't know what to look for in all possible settings there are. Fingers X-ed so you'll get it sorted out soon! I see that Matt uses the pictures from my install of the EFI kit in his manual  |
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Post by pepboyjoe on Mar 4, 2014 23:18:48 GMT -5
So I got my efi kit last friday, I worked on it saturday it took me about 4 hours to install and get the bike running, now when I first put it together I installed the cdi that came with it so I could tune the timming but the bike started and died I couldnt figure out why so I removed the cdi I put my old one back on, I taped the 2 wires white and orange and it started right up, the cdi is dc, my bike uses ac, thats not really the problem, the problem is that the cdi takes alot of power from the battery and the computer sees it as a vpower problem, I am thinking on just using my cdi with the bottom plug from the kit and the top plug from my bike, I belive the top plug is just power to the cdi and the bottom still uses the pick up sensor for firing, I would have to check and make sure is not going to cause any problems but if anyone knows that I cam do this please ley me know
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