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Post by adventure on Feb 19, 2014 23:51:25 GMT -5
Hi all, Looks like a great scoot website! I am a newbie and just signed up although I have been reading the threads from time to time. I have a SSR Rowdy 150cc that is a year old. Was riding it to work and it coasted to a stop with the engine running fine. Got it home, opened up the CVT cover, and the belt was broken. Bought a Gates Powerlink 835x20x30 belt and installed it. Ran it while on its stand and it looked good going up the power curve.
Got on the scoot to road test it and here is the problem- When I twist the throttle, the scoot starts shuddering hard and does not move. After about 6 seconds, it starts to slowly accelerate while still shuddering. I'm still twisting the throttle all this time and after another 5 seconds of shuddering it gets up to 20mph. Right after 20mph the shuddering goes away and the scoot accelerates smoothly up to 50mph.
I'm guessing, but does the problem have to do with the roller weights? Or is the belt slipping because it is new or something? I wiped clean the variator and the drum thingy before I installed the belt.
Thank you for all your help and please tell me specifically what to do as I don't want to mess up my commute vehicle.
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Post by ramblinman on Feb 20, 2014 6:09:06 GMT -5
...I'm guessing, but does the problem have to do with the roller weights? that would be my guess also. most-likely one or more weights have turned on its side.
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Post by played1 on Feb 20, 2014 9:46:49 GMT -5
Does the belt fit tight on the rear? The "drum thingy" is the clutch bell and it's probably not the clutches failing to engage. Inspect the belt, and check for any excessive wear marks on it. You should not be able to slide the belt on the variator without squeezing the rear together to make the belt drop in. I'm not thinking it the weights because it should engage but not gain speed. Your belt may be the wrong one too.
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Post by adventure on Feb 20, 2014 20:58:20 GMT -5
Thank you ramblinman and played1 for your input. Played1, the belt fits tight on the rear, and and there are no excessive wear marks on it. I had to squeeze the rear together to make the belt drop in so I could slide it on the variator. And I checked 3 websites which all confirmed that I have the correct belt size installed.
Does anyone else think as ramblinman does, that one or more of the roller weights have turned on its side? And how does that happen logically- does the scoot have to be dropped on its side? Or did the weights turn on their sides when the belt broke?
Or does anyone have another theory (based on my original posting) before I have to take off the variator to check the weights...hoping it does not require special tools and mechanical ability...
Thanks!
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Post by alleyoop on Feb 20, 2014 21:09:47 GMT -5
When the belt broke that allows the Variator to move out all the way to the Outside Plate which is your fan plate. At that point the weights are almost out of there ramps in the variator ,so yes they could have gotten out of position. Also since you will have the Variator off I would also take the Clutch assembly off. Check for any pieces of belt stuck between the contra spring and since you have the Clutch bell off and the Clutch exposed check for glazed Clutch pads. If glazed get some sandpaper and take the glaze off put everything back on and you should be good to go knowing everything is cool and checked. Alleyoop
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Post by junkyarddog on Feb 20, 2014 22:16:20 GMT -5
Not familiar with the GY6, but on my Yamahas, the rollers cannot get out of place. They spend most of their time at the outside edge, because I ride them at WOT. The ramp plate will not let them go any farther than they are designed too. I also had a belt break (totally shredded actually) but found nothing else wrong. The rollers, as well as the belt, had been replaced only 4000 miles earlier. I took everything apart and inspected it, and never did find the cause of the premature belt failure. I replaced the belt with another oem Yamaha belt, which now has about 2000 miles on it. The scooter has 26,000 miles on it. The first 2 belts were replaced at 10,000 miles, without problems.
On your Rowdy, I would suspect a slipping belt. Sounds like it is grabbing then letting go, over and over again. That could cause the shuddering. I would look for an oem belt. If it broke sooner than the manual says to replace it, then I would also look for a cause. I would suspect that heat and being overloaded is what broke mine (I weigh 230 pounds, and rode at WOT most of the time), but that doesn't explain why the first 2 belts lasted 10,000 miles under the same conditions, and still looked good when replaced.
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Post by alleyoop on Feb 20, 2014 22:33:45 GMT -5
Any one want to do a quick experiment, take just the belt off the Variator and start the motor then come back and tell use what happened on some a few of the rollers may even come all the way out. Alleyoop
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Post by dakotafig on Feb 21, 2014 0:39:45 GMT -5
If you ever have to get into the cvt, my opinion is to always check the clutch pads and rollers. Your that far so might as well, never know what you might find. I got a really bad vibration once, even had a rattle sound to it but it was still driving. Finally took clutch bell off and one pad had completely broken apart and spit pieces everywhere. My point here being that happened without a belt breaking or really riding hard ect. With the original Chinese parts it never hurts to look things over in the cvt, especially if you have a belt breaking event.
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Post by spandi on Feb 21, 2014 0:48:39 GMT -5
I had shuddering like that when I was pulling away from a stop, and it also ceased after getting up to about 20-25 mph. Checked the clutch pads and they looked like they had been sprayed with varnish (nice and shiny) used emery paper to make 'em nice and dull.
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Post by junkyarddog on Feb 21, 2014 10:43:47 GMT -5
What kinda puzzles me here is that whatever changed to cause the problem happened when the belt was replaced. Maybe something else happened that caused the belt to break, or maybe the broken belt damaged something else. But the fact that it won't move at all to begin with and then shudders sure sounds like the belt is slipping, which could be caused by it being too long, or too narrow. I have 26,000 miles on my Yamaha 125, and the original clutch shoes, bell, and pulley faces look new. I replaced the rollers at 20,000, but kept the old ones. I could not find anything wrong with them. They were completely round. Of course most of these miles were out on the open road, where these parts did not get used very much. I was surprised that there were no grooves worn in the pulleys, because the belt spent most of it's time in one spot, at WOT.
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Post by tvnacman on Feb 21, 2014 17:19:27 GMT -5
Even at wot the belt will move around the pullies . Greasing the clutch bearings and sanding the glaze is rule of thumb .
John
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