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Post by eltatertoto on Dec 19, 2013 20:58:03 GMT -5
hello all. ive been off of the forums for quite some time now. used to be an avid poster on the old boards. bout the time i parked the scooter and stopped posting was around when the picture tag game piddled out. (anyone here remember that??) anyway, a couple months ago i installed an 80cc kit, a stereo and some LED headlights. hopefully when all the snow melts, ill have a nice cheap ride to work. as it stands now, im spending about $100 a week driving the 70 miles a day. originally thought to come back cause i need you're help!! the scoot isnt charging its battery! i replaced the rectifier and took this video when i first experienced the issue. if anyone knows whats wrong off hand, please chime in. otherwise, ill start a new thread tomorrow. thanks all, and its great to be back!!   |
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Post by alleyoop on Dec 19, 2013 21:53:01 GMT -5
It is either two things the Stator or the Regulator/Rectifier. So first thing is test your stator see if it is putting out 40-100 ACVs, if its not then bad Stator (BUT that still does not mean that your R/R is good) after you put in a new stator and verify it is putting out then you need to check the R/R. Check the wire at the Rectifier going to your battery and see if it is putting out 14+ volts if not bad R/R.
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Post by eltatertoto on Jan 21, 2014 20:45:47 GMT -5
well, i think i have narrowed down the problem to the battery. its shot and putting a load on the bike. staring at the scooter today, i was thinking about the problem and the fact i replaced the regulator, and looking back at that video, i dont see what else could be doing it.
its been on trickle charge for about 6 hours now, and its only gotten up to 10 volts from 1.5 volts. this is a battery i bought in OCTOBER.
when you take it off the charger, watching the voltage drop is comical. it drops a tenth of a volt almost every second.
looks like ill be cashing in on my 3 year warranty!!
on that note, can someone link me up for the right size jets for my BBK? its now a supposed 100cc and i dont want to burn it up starving it for fuel this season. (preferably a local honda option). i really just need to know what size i need. thanks alot!!
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Post by alleyoop on Jan 21, 2014 21:05:56 GMT -5
I would of thought that was the first thing you checked the battery for no charge. Then if the battery is good its the R/R or the Stator. So for you other guys with problems charging always check your battery first before wasting time checking the R/R and or Stator.
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Post by eltatertoto on Jan 21, 2014 21:52:29 GMT -5
problem was, it was acting like a stator on the bike. it had a full charge when i left, and when i came back from a ride it would be dead. to me (at least in car thinking as i am a mechanic) it was acting like the stator was not giving enough of a charge and the bike was needing to use the battery as its electrical source. when in fact, the battery just couldnt hold its charge. what i failed to do though, was leave it overnight not on the charger after charging it completely. this would have told me that the battery was bad.
still need an idea on those jets! thanks again guys!
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Post by alleyoop on Jan 21, 2014 22:22:07 GMT -5
83cc I would go with at least a #  main it may need a bigger one than a # , but it all depends on the motor same build on another motor may need a different size. It all depends on the amount of compression and volume of air being sucked in. As far as a scoot not charging the most common problem is the R/R went south. But the first thing to check and the easiest is the battery first, then check the stator if it is putting out 40-100Vac then you know its the R/R if it is not putting out 40-100Vac then the stator has to be changed BUT that still does not eliminate the R/R. Alleyoop |
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Jan 21, 2014 23:00:09 GMT -5
I had a bad stator that sucked juice out of the battery rather than charge. It would be full, then almost completely dead next time I try to start it. Put a diff stator on and it was like magic. The battery stayed charged and strong. Also I tried to put an electric gas pump on it and that killed me battery in the same fashion as the stator. Unplugged the pump and it was fine. I put 50w headlights in and it did the same thing. Guess the bike just can't handle the extra without stator upgrades. Anything over  main jet and the bike runs rich on mine even after trying to adjust. |
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Post by alleyoop on Jan 21, 2014 23:12:26 GMT -5
Just so you know the stator puts out not suck out. Your problem like I mentioned before was that your stator was not putting out 40-100VAC to the R/R which is the one that converts the VAC from the stator to DC to charge the battery.
You have to know the flow and how things work to diagnose a problem correctly. With just the simple tests with a volt meter you would know which one is the culprit. You got lucky and hit the right culprit the first time it could of been your R/R and not the stator.
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Jan 22, 2014 1:16:15 GMT -5
Just so you know the stator puts out not suck out. Your problem like I mentioned before was that your stator was not putting out 40-100VAC to the R/R which is the one that converts the VAC from the stator to DC to charge the battery. You have to know the flow and how things work to diagnose a problem correctly. With just the simple tests with a volt meter you would know which one is the culprit. You got lucky and hit the right culprit the first time it could of been your R/R and not the stator. Alleyoop Well of course I know it puts out and not sucks out, that would make no sense.. Sorry I should have wrote the seems like it was doing that, didn't think it would be taken literal. I know how things work and I don't need you implying that I don't. I didn't "Get lucky". I changed the stock stator to a new but turned out to be defective one, to see if it would generate more power. That's how I knew it was the stator. If it were a different situation i'de pull out the multimeter and figure out where the dead link is at. And if I put a freshly fully charged new battery into a scooter, dont start it and come back hour later and its dead, that means something is sucking the life out of it. I change the stator back to stock and I don't have the problem anymore. I guess next your gunna say I plugged in a color coded wire into the wrong socket and thats what caused that. |
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Post by alleyoop on Jan 22, 2014 1:34:36 GMT -5
That there says you need to learn a few more things, don't take it personally, I am just trying to help you guys learn how things work so you can diagnose a problem correctly and how to test to find the culprit. Changing the stator is not going to do anything for a battery that depletes while parked. That is caused either by just a plain bad battery that will not hold a charge or some accessory on the scoot is drawing juice while it is off.
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Jan 22, 2014 1:48:25 GMT -5
What do you think i'm lying? I put a new battery in scooter before i changed the stator. It worked flawlessly. Changed the stator and it was either dead or completely dead. Changed stator back, battery started charging back to normal state. No accessory, stock lights. I'm not going to argue about something I've experienced. Just like you told me it was impossible for my other bikle to run with the pickup unplugged and I ran it like that for days until I finally figured out the problem. I've learned a lot from you but like I said, I consider advise rather than taking it.
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Post by alleyoop on Jan 22, 2014 2:06:48 GMT -5
Now your getting silly with the Pickup Coil unplugged the CDI will not get a signal to release the Voltage it built up to the coil to fire the Plug. The more you say the worse it gets and it is apparent you do not want to learn how things work you are taking it as an attack on you.
Like I said just trying to help some of you guys that do know how things work learn some of the ins and outs to make fixing your scoot or someone else's scoot a good experience. Also save some money not getting the wrong part which is not causing a problem and at the same time maybe make some money on the side fixing someone scoot.
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Post by korn858 on Jan 22, 2014 2:52:20 GMT -5
I had a draw on my battery that was killing them within a day. It turned out to be the choke/enricher had a short and was drawing constantly.
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Post by alleyoop on Jan 22, 2014 3:39:47 GMT -5
I can see that happening but only if the motor is running. Normally the R/R feeds the enricher the voltage but the motor has to be running. If it was running and the enricher was shorting out the R/R would shunt the voltage to ground and not have enough to charge the battery there fore a dead battery.
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Jan 22, 2014 8:58:06 GMT -5
Now your getting silly with the Pickup Coil unplugged the CDI will not get a signal to release the Voltage it built up to the coil to fire the Plug. The more you say the worse it gets and it is apparent you do not want to learn how things work you are taking it as an attack on you. Like I said just trying to help some of you guys that do know how things work learn some of the ins and outs to make fixing your scoot or someone else's scoot a good experience. Also save some money not getting the wrong part which is not causing a problem and at the same time maybe make some money on the side fixing someone scoot. Alleyoop Like I said, not arguing with you. I know how stuff works. I'm just telling you what happen. When I unplug that same wire on my new bike it cuts out immediately. Old bike it doesn't. All you can tell me is i'm wrong without an explanation.? Who said I felt attacked. Its just really annoying when you see something with your own eyes and have someone who lives soo far away try to tell you it didn't happen. And like I said before, i've learned and are still learning alot from you. And I appreciate your help, but I consider advise rather than taking it. I wish I would have taken a video back then when I was riding it like that, but then again I really don't feel like I have to prove anything. And aint gunna lie the info you contributed to my knowledge has helped me to make money on the side doing the same thing your telling me i'm wrong about. People call me and give me phone diagnosis and I come over with the parts I think it could be. Fully asses the problem and fix it within an hour. Never had one failure. I've got friends who buy like new scooters that wont start for cheap. Call me and I fix them for free because their my friends. If I weren't good for my word they wouldn't waste a dollar. |
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..BAD TO THE BONE..
main it may need a bigger one than a #
main jet and the bike runs rich on mine even after trying to adjust.
