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Post by an1m3n00b on Jul 22, 2013 23:29:10 GMT -5
Ok, so I just finished going through all the paperwork and the MSF course. I now have my full endorsement and a fully legal Genuine Stella 2T. ;D I just went on my first ride (about 10 miles, hilly/curvy and speed limit 35mph) It was a blast, but i'm little concerned about how inexperienced I am as a rider. While going through a roundabout I entered too fast and had to brake into the curb. Then later I turned onto some gravel to turn around and almost flipped the bike on me! Do I just need to take it slower or is there a bigger problem here? As an aside, my brights seem to have a loose connection somewhere.
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Post by scootnwinn on Jul 22, 2013 23:58:38 GMT -5
You need to just take it slow. At this stage you need to spend time getting used to how you and the bike work together. I have been riding for 20+ years and when I get a new machine I am very cautious with it for the first 100 or so miles especially with how it turns and brakes. Take it slow ride easy roads slowly. Or find an empty parking lot and run figure eights and circles right and left. Get a feel for the brakes learn how a when the back tire locks up. Go slow that machine is to pretty to destroy. Even worse I'm sure there are folks that will miss you too...
Not much to the brights check the 2 connections and the the switch itself. I use the jiggling method and then I get out my meter...
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Post by ltdhpp on Jul 23, 2013 0:04:11 GMT -5
Gravel might as well be ice to 2-wheels, especially for a new rider. Definitely take is easy on anything but dry pavement/asphalt! You may have been going too fast into the roundabout, but you are most likely still getting used to leaning. When I started riding my 150cc, I absolutely got nervous and wound up having to slow down when I would approach turns that needed a lean to get through at speed. Leaning felt VERY unnatural at first, until i got used to it. Sharp turns, even at slow speed (like a roundabout) need some leaning too, but keeping on the throttle is even more important to help keep you upright in the lean. This was new to me too, since the 50cc didn't have enough top speed or low speed power for those things to matter, lol. This is why they tell you to accelerate into a turn (and never brake in a lean, never use the front bake in any turn) because it makes a huge difference in keeping you up and steady into the turn. Find a big parking lot and practice practice practice. Quick maneuvering is often your only hope at avoiding an accident, and you will ride with more confidence and enjoy it much more once you know just what you can do on those 2 wheels
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Post by an1m3n00b on Jul 23, 2013 0:26:31 GMT -5
alright, so next time i'll definitely try to take it slower. And keep on the throttle. And overall just try to remember all the stuff they crammed into two days of riding...
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Post by scootnwinn on Jul 23, 2013 0:28:29 GMT -5
Exactly
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Post by prodigit on Jul 23, 2013 0:43:25 GMT -5
Been driving for over 25 years on 2 wheels. It took me quite a few falls to learn to drive, and from there learn the limits of the tires.
I'm not saying I'm a pro racer, but I kind of can predict with 80% certainty, how much a certain type of road will grip to my tires, or my tires to the road. Comes with experience. Braking hard sometimes makes you slip and fall. Once you know how hard you can brake, because you slipped (went past the tire grip), you'll be more careful next time ;D
I know when I'm approaching a less stable ground, like a deep paddle of water, or a gravel road in a corner, about how fast I should enter. I know that I probably could do 15-20% faster, and occasionally would go 10% faster, but always leave a margin for uncertainty, Uncertainty like traffic, your environment, unexpected road conditions like slippery, or potholes, etc...
Estimating road conditions is only one of the multi tasking tasks you need to do on the road. Your primary focus should be traffic, and environment. Always expect the unexpected. If you see a car parked to the side of the road, pass by it with at least 3ft distance, should the driver decide to step out of the car, and open the door. Should you see a truck parked to the side, slow down and pass 3-5ft away from it, as there always can be a person in a hurry trying to cross the street without looking; and since it's a truck, it would block your view, and you can't see the person.
NEVER TRUST EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE!!! ALWAYS LOOK, WHEN YOU CAN!!!
With that I mean, do not make a sharp corner on the road, to enter into another road, without looking if both on the past and coming road there are no obstacles, like objects, pedestrians, or vehicles that could block your way, or where you would block theirs.
Learn the skill of defensive driving. Expect the unexpected. When lane changing always BML (BLINK, MIRROR, LOOK BACK), or blinkers on, look in the mirror, and if the mirror is ok, quickly look backwards before making the turn. Don't look backwards too long, or the car before you might stop and when you look forward again, find yourself kissing the other car's rear trunk! I usually let go of the throttle at the moment I quickly look back. I don't need to stare backwards to get a clear view. All I need to do is glimpse backward, for less than 1/2 second, which is good enough for your brain to process the situation behind you, even after your head is turned forward again.. A sharp clear image is not necessary. You don't need to know what the person behind you is doing besides riding. You need to know the locations of the cars, their entry speed, and calculate from there, if you can make a turn or not. Sometimes spotting close cars in your mirrors again before making the turn...
Anyway, too much to tell... Start with learning defensive riding. Then start with learning the grip of the tires, by braking while riding in a straight line. Also learn cornering (cornering usually is done <20MPH. Ride, and look at your speedo, see how fast you're going. After a while you'll 'feel' the right speed, rather than read it from the speedo. going 45 in a 40MPH road, will 'feel' too fast.
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Post by onewheeldrive on Jul 23, 2013 2:43:14 GMT -5
It's not just gravel either. Watch out for the bigger rocks when going around a turn--- it's not cool at all when your front tire pops up off the ground when going around a turn leaning.
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Post by an1m3n00b on Jul 25, 2013 16:08:31 GMT -5
Something just occured to me, my tires were at 47psi up front and 40psi in the back. The walls of the tires say "47PSI FOR MAXIMUM WEIGHT" but the stella manual says 22 front/ 29 rear. I should mention these are tubeless tires, with good tread (the guy i bought it from said they were new). Could that explain my uneasy feeling in the back end and my lack of grip? And what PSI are the tires supposed to be at?
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Post by scootnwinn on Jul 25, 2013 16:15:00 GMT -5
Wow that's a lot it would definitely be skittish I run 17 front and 25ish in the rear on my P200 which are the recommended pressures for Vespa P series bikes which yours is. There is very little weight on that front tire... BTW I bet my 200 outweighs your 150 a bit...
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Post by an1m3n00b on Jul 25, 2013 16:27:12 GMT -5
So I'll deflate them to 22/29 before I go riding tonight and see how that goes. Hopefully nothing goes boom...
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Post by scootnwinn on Jul 25, 2013 16:28:51 GMT -5
Nothing will go boom you will get a feel for Italian engineering and you will like it...
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Post by domindart on Jul 25, 2013 22:04:29 GMT -5
Good luck dude! have fun Here are a few tips. I tend to watch the road ahead when I'm scootin. I dodge things like potholes or bumps.. sewer holes. If I'm going over rough terrain like gravel road or dirt I stay erect. No leaning, or not much cause the road under is inconsistant and you will feel it just riding over. Do what the MSF teaches: look, press, lean, roll right? something like that.. Basically, press into a turn and look where you want to go, and the entire thing will tend to follow. That's all I got for now. Cheers
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Post by an1m3n00b on Jul 26, 2013 22:37:56 GMT -5
Wow, it would seem you guys know your stuff. Well I went for a second trip and this one went WAY better. I lowered the tire pressure to like 24/30 and that fixed about 80% of the uneasiness. I took corners slower, rolled (the throttle, not the bike) and approached gravel at a walking pace. I even got on the 55mph highway for a short distance (although I was at WOT the whole time so I'll probably stick to the slower roads) I think the biggest thing that helped was being more relaxed and the tires. Although, i'm still very inexperienced and I still get nervous about defensive driving. Mostly I'm worried that if something happened I won't be able to react fast enough, or i'll over-react and skid. I'm still getting used to all the controls and from what i've heard the transmission sounding like it's gonna fall apart is normal, could someone explain that? Also you were very right, nothing went boom
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Post by ltdhpp on Jul 27, 2013 10:16:47 GMT -5
Have you practiced a panic stop yet?? This is another biggie... not only to figure out how quickly you can stop, but to make sure something doesn't go 'pop' or give out when you apply threshold pressure. Also it's good to find the skid threshold of your rear brake... because if you have to go down, they taught us about forcing a low-side fall by locking up the rear brake. Evidently you have less chance of surviving a 'superman' high-side fall...
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Post by danno on Jul 27, 2013 10:26:01 GMT -5
Wow, it would seem you guys know your stuff. Well I went for a second trip and this one went WAY better. I lowered the tire pressure to like 24/30 and that fixed about 80% of the uneasiness. I took corners slower, rolled (the throttle, not the bike) and approached gravel at a walking pace. I even got on the 55mph highway for a short distance (although I was at WOT the whole time so I'll probably stick to the slower roads) I think the biggest thing that helped was being more relaxed and the tires. Although, i'm still very inexperienced and I still get nervous about defensive driving. Mostly I'm worried that if something happened I won't be able to react fast enough, or i'll over-react and skid. I'm still getting used to all the controls and from what i've heard the transmission sounding like it's gonna fall apart is normal, could someone explain that? Also you were very right, nothing went boom Hey New Rider, I too just finished the safety course. So you and I are probably at the same skill level which isn't saying much. I have the same concerns as you. I do worry that if something happened I won't be able to react fast enough, or i'll over-react and skid. My practice time has essentially been in and around my sub division. Practicing left and right turns,leaning is a big learning curve for me. I practice panic breaking. What I've also decided to do is if I have an option of getting to my destination on a path less traveled by cars, I'll take that route. It seems to me when there are fewer cars around there's less a chance I get into an accident. This is a totally new experience for me, The learning curve is probably more steeper for me than many others. For the sake of others on the road, my family and for myself, I'm taking this learning process real slow and not feel pressure to be better than I'm ready to be.It'll come. Be patient Danno
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