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Post by bwader on Jul 2, 2013 11:13:23 GMT -5
I've narrowed down 2 motorcycles I'd want buy. the TU250X And The Yamaha V-Star 250
Have you riden one or owned one?
I want to know what your experiences are on this bike.
Costs about the same at the TU and is a little more common on craigslist in my area. Most common cruiser 250 being the Honda Rebel.
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Post by prodigit on Jul 2, 2013 12:04:01 GMT -5
As far as I know from the specs, the V-star is about the most expensive 250 cruiser of all the big brands. Honda's rebel 250 was cheaper, Suzuki's is the cheapest.
Also the V-stars don't have great gas mileage compared to the rest. The TUX is probably the most fuel efficient (also thanks to being a thumper, meaning 1 cylinder)
It's also less aimed for tall people
If I where to choose, the V-star would come last, eventhough it looks the nicest imho, the rebel second, and the TUX first.
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Post by richardthescooter1 on Jul 2, 2013 12:39:48 GMT -5
I like the style of the honda's Rebel
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Post by domindart on Jul 2, 2013 13:38:43 GMT -5
I need to sit on a TUx!!
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Post by bwader on Jul 2, 2013 15:02:40 GMT -5
I was looking up KBB motorcycle values comparing to dealer prices and the dealers mark up their price 300 or more dollars More than what the KBB price says for an EXCELLENT condition vehicle from DEALER. When I go, I know not to pay the sticker price and haggle down a little from the price and I'm fine paying the KBB price at dealer if its in excellent condition. Yeah TU had a 76 degree knee bent angle for me 6' 3'' Honda Rebel degree knee angle t V-star has a 101 degree angle very much more relaxed looking. I might go with a Rebel because of sooo many options to choose Brand new, year old, 3 years old, and 8 years old and in between Ones with windshields and saddlebags. I just wish the TU was more suited for my legs.
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Post by prodigit on Jul 2, 2013 18:36:41 GMT -5
I found no problems sitting on the TUx. The legs are more down compared to the cruisers. I'm 6'3". The only problem I had was for the TU to be comfortable for me, I would have to raise the handlebars by 5 inch, but the max that the cabling would allow was 2 inch. So unless you plan on putting new hydraulic brake lines, electric wiring, etc... The TU is probably good for upto 5'8-6' people with a 2 inch handlebar riser piece installed.
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Post by justpassinthru on Jul 2, 2013 21:28:06 GMT -5
[replyingto=prodigit]prodigit[/replyingto]I'm not sure where you're getting those facts from. I had, briefly, a Virago 250 - earlier name for the VStar 250. Used it to get back into riding after 22 years away. I found it powerful enough to keep up with traffic...and got over 75 mpg on it. Nice exhaust note, too. Only problem I had with it was, it was just TOO SMALL for me. I liked it enough I briefly considered a custom frame...but that was too much money and eventually I'd want more power.
Good starter bike if you fit on it.
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Post by prodigit on Jul 2, 2013 21:48:29 GMT -5
I presume the mpg numbers? I've done the research, both Yamaha and Fuelly show that the V-star is at least behind on MPG. And just like you, the 250 was too small for me too. My legs would be too much up, my back would have to bend backwards, causing pain in the tailbone from long rides. The seating position of the TU is much better, more like a BMW, where the legs are almost under the rider.
I liked the rebel's leg spacing, a bit too small for me, but not uncomfortably small. But there's nothing that can beat the TU's MPG's. It's average MPG is 80, but many have reached near to 100MPG on those bikes.
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Post by bwader on Jul 3, 2013 10:27:44 GMT -5
I'd rather choose a single cylinder for simplicity and less parts to worry about and better mileage. I guess this is one of those things where it comes down to rider preference on the ride and some on ergonomics. Looking off cycle-ergo.com/ and putting in the V-star 250 and 650 models..... they don't look much different. I have on there and been cycling through Suzuki GZ250 94degree knee angle all for a 6' 3'' person Suzuki Tu250x 76 degree knee angle Yamaha V-star 101 degree knee angle Honda Rebel degree knee angle 2004 Suzuki Savage 650cc 97 degree knee angle For all of these they look small compared to the "stick figure" on there. If only I was a little bit shorter, I wish I was little bit smalla, I could be a baller, If I had a girl who looked good I'd call her It really goes I wish I was a little bit taller I wish I was a baller Sucks being taller sometimes picking out 250cc bikes
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Post by rockynv on Jul 3, 2013 12:11:34 GMT -5
The Yamaha has in the past been plagued by starter problems which is in part why they dropped the Virago down do simply the V. Some depending on exhaust configuration require much of the exhaust system to be removed in order to do even simple things such as an oil change.
The Honda 250's are know by the MSF as a bit delicate in the shift area and prone to bent shift linkages and binding especially with tall/big riders so the Suzuki looks to be the better value.
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Post by justpassinthru on Jul 3, 2013 17:45:19 GMT -5
[replyingto=prodigit]prodigit[/replyingto]Believe it or not, I had both. The Virago 250 as a re-starter bike; and a TU250 because I came across it, very-lightly used.
The TU is, very definitely, more comfortable for someone taller. Because it's set up like a UJB - just slide back to find the sweet spot.
But there is, very-definitely, LESS POWER. Not sure if it's gearing or if the engines are that different in output. But I couldn't hold 60 on the TU250. On the Virago, I was just getting comfortable; but I did have it at 65 on the freeway for a short leg.
The TU250 had to be run wide-open to hold 60; and mileage would drop from the high advertised figures (which it did hit in town) to about 50. I didn't see that on the Virago.
I can't say which to recommend. The TU would be more comfortable; and that's a LARGE part of ownership. But I think the Virago 250 engine would be the real performer in that size.
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Post by prodigit on Jul 3, 2013 19:05:37 GMT -5
The TU is known to be geared too high. A sprocket change could give you better top end.
Also, it's a single cylinder. From the specs, it's more fuel efficient, but has less torque than the dual cylinder Honda. It's only to be expected...
Just for reference, my 127cc sports bike rides between 55 and 65MPH depending on the wind, so your 250cc, being double the cc's, can definitely go faster than 60MPH!
It's common knowledge, with every bike, that you run at top revs, WOT, that MPG goes down, not up. Like said, do a sprocket change, say from 40T to 36T, and you should have 10% better MPG, and most likely between 5% and 10% higher top speed.
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Post by justpassinthru on Jul 3, 2013 19:48:00 GMT -5
I don't have either anymore.
But it's not the CCs...that's only part of it. My BMW 1200 boxer got about 50 mpg; the same as my current Burgman 650. But had twice the power. And a 150 Honda PCX has more power than a gy-6 150...much more.
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Post by prodigit on Jul 3, 2013 21:33:26 GMT -5
What they usually do with higher cc bikes, is put heavier transmissions on them, so the engine will be pulling heavier load, to compensate. Usually they have a fifth, and it wouldn't surprise me if they have a sixth gear as well; so their final gear ratio's (MPH/RPM) is much higher.
Also, the Burgman has a CVT. CVT's eat MPG. ranging anywhere from 5-25MPG.
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Post by bwader on Jul 4, 2013 0:46:37 GMT -5
I know I'll be definitely be doing a sprocket change when I get a 250.
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