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Post by gitsum on Jun 9, 2013 10:50:31 GMT -5
How's 26,610 Chinese scooter miles for "simple math"? ...or this for quality? 26,610 is certainly better than most Chinese scooters, but how many problems have you had (beside taking it apart and rebuilding it). How many parts did you actually replace during the infamous Chinese style PDI? I have a Znen 250 (from this plant) I still ended up taking it all apart and rebuilding it. I'd say a 20% increase in QC and they'll have it.Just do a quick search on google, for every 20k Chinese scooter you find, you will find five or ten 40k+ Taiwanese or Japanese scooters. There is a difference whether or not you choose to realize it. You're not helping your case any with the that video. Best quality Chinese scooter we've seenWhy doesn't it just say one of the best quality scooters we've seen, without adding the word Chinese? Typical contradictory attitude of a person trying to convince himself or others that a Chinese scooter is just as good. The phrase "for a Chinese scooter" says it all ;D I'm sort of confused by what you're actually trying to say? Are you trying to say that certain Chinese scooters (specifically Znen) are as good as Taiwanese or Japanese scooters? Because here is what you had to say in another thread: The new Lances are made by SYM and not Znen. (with the proprietary ceramic cylinder) Why would you need a long warranty for something that doesn't break down?
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Post by gitsum on Jun 9, 2013 11:24:41 GMT -5
Yes, EVERY Bintelli Scooter sold in the USA comes with a 2 year limited warranty and 1 year of free roadside assistance. To my knowledge, we are the only distributor of scooters in our price range ($999-$1699) that includes a warranty and roadside assistance of this nature. It's because we have a quality product and stand behind them 100%. Everyone have a great weekend! Only the battery and the frame have a two-year warranty sir! That is an extremely misleading warranty, almost bordering on fraudulent. Nice use of a technicality like "limited"! However, if you feel comfortable promoting something so obviously deceiving... By the way, a Lance Cali Classic 50 cost $1699 (made by SYM) and has a real two-year warranty that isn't so "limited". No roadside assistance (doubtful it would be needed), but then the Bintelli roadside assistance doesn't reimburse for towing anyway... |
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Post by americanpsycho on Jun 9, 2013 12:37:52 GMT -5
The Tomos Nitro-50, Nitro-150 and Twister are all made by SYM.
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Post by gitsum on Jun 9, 2013 13:34:06 GMT -5
The Tomos Nitro-50, Nitro-150 and Twister are all made by SYM. As are both the Lance Cali Classic and Havana 50 and 125. |
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Post by spandi on Jun 9, 2013 15:33:47 GMT -5
Apparently you insist on pretzel twisting my words in a forlorn attempt to prove a point which does not exist (nice of you to look up my past work...Saves you the trouble of all that pesky deductive reasoning) all the while using your needle skipping "logic" and complacent attitude (or is it altitude?) in your oft repeated assertion: Namely that there are two kinds of scoots in the world, fantastically engineered "Swiss" watches on rubber wheels or total junk deathtraps, ALL made from recycled bathroom plumbing. Well sir I can assure you that this is emphatically NOT the case, as any examination of EVOLVING Chinese scooter expertise will show. As you so elegantly noted, I rebuilt my scooter, but the work was most fit and finish enhancement which I have already POINTED OUT as an area the Chinese need to work on, and is also the "point" of the video, that the heretofore lower quality (IY-H?-O) is going UP and will continue to do so. At your advanced 112 years, I'm surprised you still cling to the archaic concept of black and white rather than the more realistic wisdom of shades of Gray. Oh well, be that as is may, there is no stopping the Dragon.
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Post by domindart on Jun 9, 2013 19:03:18 GMT -5
The Tomos Nitro-50, Nitro-150 and Twister are all made by SYM. Is SYM chinese or what?  I beleive Tomos is Slovenian not sure if that means its still technically chinese or what |
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Post by spandi on Jun 9, 2013 19:14:50 GMT -5
I believe SYM is made in Taiwan.
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Post by americanpsycho on Jun 9, 2013 19:54:32 GMT -5
The Tomos Nitro-50, Nitro-150 and Twister are all made by SYM. Is SYM chinese or what? I beleive Tomos is Slovenian not sure if that means its still technically chinese or what I'd have to look. I know the Tomos mopeds aren't made in China. |
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Post by hank on Jun 9, 2013 19:57:49 GMT -5
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Post by domindart on Jun 9, 2013 20:12:10 GMT -5
So confirm my thinking is correct: My engine is a Sym that gets parts from Taiwan but the company Tomos is Slovenian...?
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Post by americanpsycho on Jun 9, 2013 20:56:17 GMT -5
So confirm my thinking is correct: My engine is a Sym that gets parts from Taiwan but the company Tomos is Slovenian...? Pretty much  |
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Post by americanpsycho on Jun 9, 2013 20:59:22 GMT -5
There's not going to be much in the way of Tomos units for the next year as the company is relocating to another part of Europe.
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Post by domindart on Jun 9, 2013 21:41:26 GMT -5
I love my Tomos so far.... dependable  |
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Post by gitsum on Jun 9, 2013 23:18:05 GMT -5
[replyingto=domindart]domindart[/replyingto]OK Spandi, I apologize for offending you, but I was just trying to make a point. I see in one of your posts you had a Honda Elite 125, so you do have experience with a top quality machine. I'll try this one more time  We all know that there are some $995 150cc Chinese pieces of crap out there. We know that some (not all) Chinese manufacturers have improved from 7 or 8 years ago, when they all sucked. It seems like Znen, QJ and a few others cost a bit more than most Chinese scooters, and yes they are better. I personally owned a Chinese P.O.S. (Longbo 150) and a QJ (Strada RX150i Eurojet) and eight other scooters that were all Taiwanese or Japanese. But even "better" Chinese scooters still don't use the same materials or metals as a "budget" Taiwanese scooter uses. It just doesn't make sense to spend a few extra hundred dollars more on a higher level of quality for a Znen, but then refuse to spend a few extra hundred dollars more for a higher level of quality you get with a Taiwanese manufactured machine. A few years ago the cheapest Taiwanese alternative was $2700 - $3000. But the whole game has changed now with budget Taiwanese scooters from $1499 to $1999 for various 50cc, 125cc and 150cc models. Most Chinese scooter owners are willing to spend a little money and a lot of time to replace some parts right from the start, because they want a reliable machine. Why don't they spend a little more and get something that works perfectly without the hassles, worries and extra expense? From my point of view investing a few extra hundred bucks on a budget Taiwanese scooter is always a better deal, and works out to be cheaper in the long run by a considerable amount. I guess I must be missing something, because most people here just don't agree... |
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Post by spandi on Jun 10, 2013 0:18:59 GMT -5
It's ok Gitsum no offense taken, as several of the long time posters know there is a bit of comedy in my "Over the top" approach. I'll grant you that SYM or Kymco are better machines overall, but to be honest I don't think a few hundred dollars are going to cover the difference in cost. The other thing is you can buy a Chinese model NOW and with a little time and sweat equity improve it out of all recognition from where you started, plus the fact in doing the work youself (at great saving to you) you'll be able to take the pulse of your scoot just by riding it. At a level of intimacy unknown by those who have never turned a wrench. BTW, "virgin Tsingtao aluminum" are recycled Chinese beer cans!  |
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