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Post by tactics on May 30, 2013 23:22:19 GMT -5
Well got my bbk in put the new cdi on and fired it up to make sure it was going to work then started in on the bbk. Got all that done put the new carb on and adjusted the af 1 1/2 turns out to start didn't work. The bbk I got does not have the ( erg?egr? ) ports on it, and I have really low compression, so I am going to toss my stock valves back on and see what happens in the morning. It fired on them a few hours ago so if still nothing at least I know the problem is somewhere else. Everything is smooth it's not struggling to crank, have spark, gas, oil all going fine. So I figure the valves are not set right ( I don't have the tools yet to check ) Was really looking forward to getting it out tonight for a small ride but alas, it sits another day.
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Post by Tripper on May 30, 2013 23:56:19 GMT -5
I just did my bbk last week. Made a point not to change anything before hand so I would have a better idea of what was up if something went wrong. Waited a couple days before changing cdi and coil. New carb was already on the motor. Screwing with the a/f before you crank it leaves all kind of windows open imho. I would go back to what you kno worked, except the bbk, that might be taking it too far. And see if it starts. I hear you can check your valves with printer paper. I kno how you feal tho. After my install, my batt didn't have enough amps so I went up to a 9amp, then my starter craped its pants. The whole bike will be rebuilt at this rate not a bad thing tho, its fun, I'm learning a lot !
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Post by rider95 on May 31, 2013 8:37:24 GMT -5
Fri st check valve ,s make sure ther not to tight , and that the timing is right engine must be @ top dead center , if all those are right and you say you have low compressen how do you know? I new bbk 47mm should have around 150 , it should start and run with 100 lbs if you put a new bbk in and it has less then 120 lbs check the ring end gap
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Post by tactics on May 31, 2013 10:23:21 GMT -5
I can't tell you the exact psi of the compression. But being that you say it should be around 120 and trying to kick start it I have to put most of my weight on it at 150 and everything feels and sounds smooth i'm guessing it's not to far off that mark. I replaced the valve head and it picked up a little more. I know it fires on that one, the erg or whatever the thing is is hooked back up. So really the only thing left is the carb and the bbk that it has not fired on. Still have not tried to start it yet today. Getting ready to push it outside and give it a shot. EDIT: Stepped out cranked it and poof it starts . Getting ready to head back out and do my final A/F and idol adjustments then take it for a test run down the road!!!!! So excited!!!!!!1 ;D
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Post by tactics on May 31, 2013 12:06:19 GMT -5
0-40 in about 3.5 seconds 1/2 throttle no word on top yet, speed limit on my road is only 35 and got a cop around who likes to pick on me, impounded my scoot a couple weeks ago so he could get his ticket count. But everything seems to be going great after adjustments, going to take it to work tonight 6 mile ride. Will know top speed and over all ride in general after that.
So far so good and very pleased with the results, still need to get an NGK plug and I think that is about it.
EDIT: Not taking it to work tonight or tomorrow due to storms. So I won't get to test it out fully till Sunday. Currently running 7.5 rollers, should I go lower or stay where I am? Another thing, where do I get a clutch tool for these things so I can replace the spring with a 1.5k
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Post by Tripper on May 31, 2013 21:20:54 GMT -5
Do you mean a tool to hold the clutch together to get the contra spring off?
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Post by lykos23 on May 31, 2013 23:47:01 GMT -5
0-40 in about 3.5 seconds 1/2 throttle no word on top yet, speed limit on my road is only 35 and got a cop around who likes to pick on me, impounded my scoot a couple weeks ago so he could get his ticket count. But everything seems to be going great after adjustments, going to take it to work tonight 6 mile ride. Will know top speed and over all ride in general after that. So far so good and very pleased with the results, still need to get an NGK plug and I think that is about it. EDIT: Not taking it to work tonight or tomorrow due to storms. So I won't get to test it out fully till Sunday. Currently running 7.5 rollers, should I go lower or stay where I am? Another thing, where do I get a clutch tool for these things so I can replace the spring with a 1.5k Nice job finally getting your scooter started I think you may benefit from 8.5 or 9g dr. pulley sliders, but I could be wrong, too high of rpms could be bad for the engine. I used this clutch tool to remove my clutch bell: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0039LEZFS/ref=oh_details_o08_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1I used this method to remove my clutch nut:
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Post by tactics on Jun 1, 2013 10:09:06 GMT -5
Awesome thank you. ;D I am going to replace all the springs in the clutch next week. Don't have the money to this week. I have 8g rollers that came with the kit, just do not have the means to be able to change them right now. It's lighter rollers for hills and acceleration and heaver for speed right? I think my A/F might still be slightly off. It's really hard to hear the slight adjustment it causes at idol, I live by a main road through town and constant traffic.
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Post by lykos23 on Jun 1, 2013 10:28:03 GMT -5
[replyingto=tactics]tactics[/replyingto]Yeah, it is rather difficult to tell the difference of pitch, I live a block away from the mainroads so I know what you mean. Luckily I've got musicians ears and that helps some. I don't know what would help you adjust your a/f other than driving some place quiet. Are you having trouble removing the variator nut? If so, this is the method I use: 8g sliders sounds great, heavier for top speed, lighter for acceleration and hills - you are right.
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Post by tactics on Jun 3, 2013 12:31:11 GMT -5
I was thinking something like that but I was worried about breaking the teeth off. Now that I know that is not an issue I will be changing them out soon to see what happens, thanks alot! Now I have a new problem though, I guess the BBK is to much for the belt because I keep smelling burning rubber once I stop all the lines are fine but serious amounts of rubber dust in the housing. I was wondering if a " high quality " lawnmower belt the same length would work. The scoot is my only means of transport right now so I don't have time to wait on one to show up.
I still have the crappy stock belt on it, I know it needs replacing but I have to do it on the fly to make sure I get to work. Other than that the BBK has been doing great, trying to find a way to hitch the exhaust up too, the one that came with the kit is about 1/2 inch off from the mounts I don't want to force it and snap the exhaust lags but I can't bend the metal either.
However other than the small issues no " major " mechanical issues out of the kit so far. I'm pleased with it, hitting every bit of 50 according to the speedo at least. I am going to get a bike speedo this week and check it with that just to make sure. The stock runs on KM with mph as the secondary so i'm betting it is 5-10 off (either direction) trying to read the mph.
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Post by lykos23 on Jun 3, 2013 12:38:32 GMT -5
[replyingto=tactics]tactics[/replyingto]I've personally never heard of using a lawnmower belt, I think it just has to be the same dimensions, I could be wrong though. Either way I'm assuming you should drive delicately until you get the belt properly replaced with a high quality one. Kevlar gets good reviews, but I've also heard of it being too hard on the variator and eventually wearing a groove into it, meaning you'll be going through variators like crazy, but the belt will last! Remember to get a Gates Powerlink, or Bando belt when you can I ordered myself a 50mm bbk and it just shipped today, can't wait! Lucky for me, I already have a Gates Powerlink 669-18-30
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Post by tactics on Jun 3, 2013 15:12:11 GMT -5
Well the belt " looks " ok and is the variator supposed to be ultra tight? I broke a socket, and lifted my scoot off the ground a few times before I finally got it loose. It just seemed impossibly tight, the rollers that came out of it look trashed. I believe at one point they where white, but I can literally feel the difference between the stock ones and the 8g. Is it normal for the stock rollers to be so light you can feel it when holding a single roller in the same hand? Plus as I said I " think " they where white. I have Never delt with rollers before so I have o idea what " normal " is, they only have about 250miles on them but look like they have 1000. ( To me at least ) I'm going to try and get a pic up.
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Post by tactics on Jun 3, 2013 15:25:37 GMT -5
so is this normal after 200-250 miles? Attachments:
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Post by lykos23 on Jun 3, 2013 15:36:35 GMT -5
[replyingto=tactics]tactics[/replyingto]That is rather strange. My rollers were a gray-ish color when I inspected them at 2k miles and I didn't even have a flat spot. If you've got flat spots then maybe your bbk has put a lot of wear on your rollers. I do hope you got sliders 'cause those don't wear out nearly as fast.
For curiosity's sake can you weigh them? My stock rollers came as 6.5g and they feel ultra light compared to my 9g.
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Post by tactics on Jun 3, 2013 16:14:52 GMT -5
I'm wondering if how tight the variator was didn't have something to do with it. That and it was very dry seemed like no lube at all on the rollers. Is that normal or should I take it back apart and oil them, and I will be ordering sliders the 8g rollers came with my kit I ordered. No chance to weigh them yet but I will be carrying one in my pocket for when the chance comes by.
Next scoot I get I will not be going back to the same guy, is seems EVERYTHING has been either lose or overly tight and just one thing after another that should have been at least checked before it was put on a floor to be sold.
I really don't think it was the BBK that caused that to happen with the rollers though, I have only put about 20 miles on the BBK so far.
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