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Post by bigmac on Jun 12, 2013 19:06:59 GMT -5
Alright, I think it's fixed.
I checked the valves after alleyoop had suggested it. They were still set the same way as they were before these problems occurred. I also inspected every fuel line and vacuum line on the bike with no luck finding a potential cause for problems. I then cleaned and looked over the carburetor, but didn't see anything wrong with it.
The bike still continued to stalling at an idle and become oily on the spark plug and intake manifold. Not sure what else to do and not willing to take apart the engine to look for internal problems, I decided to try a new carburetor.
I installed the carburetor today and haven't had any idling or oily problems since. I got it for $25 on ebay, even came with a fuel filter and some fuel line.
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Post by bigmac on Jul 1, 2013 20:16:02 GMT -5
Well, the problems returned shortly after I had thought it was fixed.
I have since installed new piston rings and piston. However, it's still not fixed.
The engine compression seems good. The spark plug sparks a white/blue spark. Meanwhile, the cylinder head and its valves seem good, as well.
So WHERE is this wet oily residue coming from? It's really bothering me. I've spent nearly $50 and hours of time on this piece of junk with no luck.
The motor will only start for a second then turn off while the combustion chamber fills up with what appears to be a mixture of gas and oil.
NOTE: While I was waiting for my new carburetor I had the spark plug and old carburetor off. I think the wetness dried out during that time, so it seemed fixed for a short time after installing the new carburetor.
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Post by brandjur on Jul 1, 2013 22:59:45 GMT -5
Perhaps your fuel flow is not enough or consistent if it dies shortly. Maybe you got a bad tank of gas and clogged your fuel filter. Also, make sure your new fuel filter is the correct direction if directional. There might be an arrow on the plastic housing of the fuel filter.
As, long as there is spark, your old and new carb didn't get dirt in it, and you have good air flow, then look at fuel. You can also look for vacuum leaks by spraying carb cleaner around the areas where there could be a leak. The only thing is the engine has to be running for that to work.
Good luck.
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Post by alleyoop on Jul 1, 2013 23:05:22 GMT -5
Only a couple places oil can be getting into the chamber: 1. Past the rings 2. Valve stems 3. Gasket leak as the oil gets pumped up to the head. Alleyoop
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Post by bigmac on Jul 13, 2013 17:30:57 GMT -5
I took out the cylinder head and removed the valves for a careful cleaning and inspection. Taking them out was easy thanks to this video:
But putting them back in was a bit tricky, but possible thanks to this video:
Other than being very dirty with carbon deposits, the valves looked fine so I put the engine back together without replacing them. After that, the engine would not start. I even sprayed starter fluid right into the spark plug hole without any luck.
Frustrated and clueless as to why it wouldn't start, I began pushing down the kick start lever over and over in frustration when suddenly I heard a small sputter. I kept going and heard more sputters. The engine started to turn over a few times with each kick. Eventually, it started to run and the spark plug and intake manifold were dry afterwards.
So I guess I could have fixed it by simply cleaning the valves and the valve seats. At least I learned some new things. I never took apart an engine that much before.
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Post by jerseyboy on Jul 13, 2013 21:12:44 GMT -5
You wasted your money buying a new carb,,the carb has nothing to do with oil,,just air/fuel sir.
I would put a new valvetran on it also since you did the piston/rings,,that should about cover everything.
Hopefully you fixed it,,and there is nothing better to learn on than a GY6 motor...lol..simple and light.
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Post by bigmac on Jul 16, 2013 14:54:29 GMT -5
Even now I don't know if it was actually oil. The wet, oily residue smelt like gas and evaporated quickly, so I suspected it was gas mixed with carbon deposits giving it a blackish color. I wanted to inspect the carb, but other than the float bowl screws, all the other screws were stripped. The breather pipe had dry rotted and fallen off, the float bowl was leaking badly, and the air/fuel adjustment screw was capped.
When I saw how cheap a complete carb that's ready to go was, I decided it would be worth it compared to working on the old one.
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Post by brandjur on Jul 16, 2013 15:12:03 GMT -5
[replyingto=bigmac]bigmac[/replyingto]So you might not have an oil problem at all. Does it run well off idle and idle is your only problem?
It might be as simple as a good valve adjustment and adjusting your idle. I adjust my exhaust valve at .005 after noticing the exhaust header gets really hot (I compared to another engine). So it left me more room for heat expansion. I did it to .004 before and it stalled on me. It ran fine, but when it got hot it stalled and I had to wait until the engine cooled down to start it up again. What do you set your valves at?
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Post by bigmac on Jul 16, 2013 17:45:07 GMT -5
Yeah, it runs fine when it's not at idle. Unfortunately, I haven't had anytime to ride it since I last worked on it.
Both the intake and exhaust valves are currently set to .003. I had the exhaust valve set to .004 before, but it always seemed pretty loud, even after being fully warmed up.
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Post by brandjur on Jul 16, 2013 20:59:42 GMT -5
What is loud? The tapping? Have you tried .004 and .005? Sometimes it is a trial and error thing. After, redo the idle a/f and the idle speed.
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Post by bigmac on Jul 17, 2013 14:33:49 GMT -5
Yeah, the tapping/pinging was much louder than it was before. The scooter's original valve clearance was .002 for both valves and there weren't any issues for the first 2,000 miles.
After those 2,000 miles, I started to experience stalling after the engine had warmed up. That's when I first adjusted the valves. I checked them before adjusting and found both to be .002. The stalling turned out to be due to the carb flooding though. So the valves have been set tighter than they are now without any issues.
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Post by brandjur on Jul 17, 2013 15:40:32 GMT -5
So is it all fixed and all you really needed to do was find the working valve clearances?
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Post by bigmac on Jul 18, 2013 16:06:42 GMT -5
It's all fixed, but no changes to the valve clearances were made. All I did was remove the cylinder head and its valves for a cleaning.
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