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Post by bwader on May 16, 2013 18:48:39 GMT -5
I'm so frustrated today. I took a test ride. Adjusted my valves both to .004. New rear tire and 15/37 gears. Checked oil, tires, fuel, everything together I got about 3 miles into the ride and all of a sudden, engine stopped. Had to push home a few miles. When I try to start. It just clicks. Won't rotate. So would this be a fuse? I'm afraid there is something seriously wrong with the engine.  |
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Post by alleyoop on May 16, 2013 20:43:24 GMT -5
The clicking is the Solenoid making that sound.
1. First you want to see if the crank will rotate to verify that the motor is not siezed.
So either take the CVT cover off and try turning the VARIATOR with your hands COUNTER CLOCKWISE several times to see if the piston is going up and down.
1. Then jump the two terminals on the SOLENOID and IF THE BATTERY is good it should spin the starter.
a. If it does then you know the battery is good and the starter is good.
The SOLENOID IS BAD.
b. If it does not do anything then the battery is shot or your Starter is bad.
3. If you know your battery is good then know the starter is frozen.
Do the tests and get back, HOPE the motor is good.
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Post by bwader on May 16, 2013 20:50:55 GMT -5
Thanks Alleyoop! I'll try that tomorrow. Its been a long day in the 90F shade wrestling the rear tire on. Was so excited, hopefully its not the motor being seized.
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Post by bwader on May 17, 2013 21:19:14 GMT -5
 I took the CVT off and tried turning my variator counterclockwise and clockwise it won't budge. This was supposed to be the last upgrade then I would just ride it as it is. Only thing I can think of is unbolt the engine and take it apart to see what happened. When I found this out I just went to my shed and played my drums for a few hours. I hate that I will have to probably spend a lot more money just to get it running again. I rotated the clutch and it turns the wheel so that's good at least. I don't really want to spend money on a new engine. I was intrigued by that "200cc" engine kit. But after all these headaches I learned a lot. But this is too much 
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Post by bwader on May 18, 2013 16:06:29 GMT -5
Asking for advise here.
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Post by tvnacman on May 18, 2013 17:01:21 GMT -5
pull the valve cover , the adjustment may have gone off . I would check the plug while I was at it .
John
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Post by alleyoop on May 18, 2013 17:19:53 GMT -5
Doesn't sound good if you could not rotate the motor over turning the VARIATOR that sucker is SEIZED.
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Post by bwader on May 18, 2013 23:12:29 GMT -5
Plug was tan it didn't look bad. Is it reasonable to rebuild it? I don't understand why it seized? I was going about 35mph at 5,500 rpms then all of a sudden it stopped abruptly. I pretty much get that the engine is toast but would rebuilding the top end be worth it? If its the piston seized to the cylinder, that could be rebuilt right? Or is it just better to just swap out a whole new engine? it would be simple and just cost the money. Its about 400 bucks with shipping to get a new engine from scrappydog. I'm at a loss You feel my pain? I know I'll need more information and take it apart to make an informed de |
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Post by alleyoop on May 18, 2013 23:26:41 GMT -5
Did it run out of oil? or was it low on oil or did you not have the Plasctic shroud over the motor?
But to find out you will need to take the head off to see the piston, you may have dropped a valve so take the valve cover off and see if you can see one of the valves stems lower than the other, or maybe a piece broke off and is binding the cam.
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Post by triker on May 18, 2013 23:42:35 GMT -5
Did it make any kind of unusual noise before it just stopped? Start by taking the valve cover of and look to see if every thing is in place. If so you will have to go deeper into the engine.
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Post by bwader on May 19, 2013 0:03:45 GMT -5
Did it run out of oil? or was it low on oil or did you not have the Plasctic shroud over the motor? But to find out you will need to take the head off to see the piston, you may have dropped a valve so take the valve cover off and see if you can see one of the valves stems lower than the other, or maybe a piece broke off and is binding the cam. Alleyoop Oil level good wasn't low and I just changed it 200-300 miles ago and changed oil once I got it out of the crate then at 200 miles, 500 miles, at 1000, 2000, and at 3100 miles Shroud has never been taken off. It did chatter some and went away, I was thinking it was normal from reading about so many people having that issue after adjusting their valves. Only other thing when I had the cam cover off to adjust valves I checked all four of the nuts, one was loose tightened a little. After that I replaced rear tire and gears to 15/37. Max rpms would go to 6,000 on the test run with 15 gram sliders. Thanks I need the direction to know what to look for when I take a look at it and take it apart. Its my first time on a scooter, I took apart the top end of my motorized bicycle and piston |
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Post by mrpalmetto on May 19, 2013 13:33:26 GMT -5
Are you not the guy who decided to jury rig the gear change with "a red brick with holes in it", and had problems installing the gears and mentioned sanding the shaft to get it in but then tapped it in with a hammer? I believe you opted to Not press off the old gear, and press on the new gear and also mentioned that the shaft might be installed backwards. And you kinda shrugged that off.
No disrespect but that is not top quality mechanic work and i would look at that being all the causes of your problem. Bet when you take the cover off you're going to see a cluster duck of damage. From my heart I'm sorry it happened, but when, you posted how and what you did, i thought that was a hassle waiting to happen. Chinese scoot or not, red bricks with holes in it are not in my scooters tool box, and surly should not be used when your messing with internal engine gears. I hope it's a simple fix, but if you reread that post i bet you won't like what you read. I'm sorry for your problem. I know you were excited about the performance upgrade. I know i would be.
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Post by alleyoop on May 19, 2013 13:54:50 GMT -5
Forgot all about that scene changing the gears, so it may be the tranny is locked up and not the motor. So take the variator off and belt and see if the motor then turns over. Right now your tried to turn the Variator by hand and if the gears are locked up or broken it will have a hard time turning over with the belt on the Variator.
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Post by mrpalmetto on May 19, 2013 14:01:01 GMT -5
So alley, you have a red brick with holes in it in your toolbox? I respect your knowledge and let's just wait and see what really happened to this poor guy. Ride on ride happy!
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Post by tvnacman on May 19, 2013 14:11:00 GMT -5
when I had the valve cover off and the plug out I would have tried to turn the engine over . As for the loose nut that is a head bolt , so the head is/was not torked correctly . Sounds like a manmade problem . I wish you luck I hope no crank damage .
John
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..BAD TO THE BONE..
